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It was the stewards that messed up very badly. There were many procedural errors in the handling of that penalty.

For me the biggest penalty farce is Monza 2006.

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that's different. For Monza 2006 there can be discussion if the penalty was justified or not. But Alonso took the punishment. In Silverstone 98 the penalty was correct (although I cannot remember the reason), it was Schumacher/Ferrari who were creative in taking it. After finishing the race.

Agree with you on both counts Omega. The reason for Schumi's penalty at the 1998 British GP is that he passed Alex Wurz under yellow flags on lap 42 (of 60). The stewards failed to notify Ferrari of the penalty within 25 minute notification window. Notification was received at least 5 minutes after the window. At the point of notification the stewards failed to make it clear whether Schumacher was receiving a stop/go penalty or 10 seconds added to his race time. Even after the race finished the stewards kept making mistakes, attempting to change how the penalty would affect Schumacher and Ferrari.

I agree that Ferrari and Schumacher pushed the envelope on this one and I believe correctly as they were questioning the stewards actions, but that's only because they were given plenty of opportunity to by the stewards. If memory serves me correctly, a number of the Silverstone stewards involved with that situation were sacked from their roles or received some form of sanction.

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Never understood this one ... Malaysia 2002.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJJXIgnjug0

IIRC it was for not giving MSC enough room on the inside.

I know that was the reason given but from Montoya's on-board Schumacher quite clearly runs into the side of him, I don't think deliberately, I think he hits the inside kerb and understeers out. I never understood how that accident was Montoya's fault.

Correct. And yet at 2 minutes 51 seconds of this video, Schumacher gets away with this...

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São Paulo's weather is so annoying that it's full of contradictions. When it's September for example, temperatures start warming up raising it to 29ºC, 30ºC then suddenly 3 or 4 days later temperatures drop violently to 10ºC and 14ºC, then warms up again days later then when you less expect it drops again....it's a mess. The city's temperature range from May to November is usually very violent.

Maybe it's because the city is located in the exact transition between Tropical and Subtropical zone, it's one of the reasons for such unreliability.

You'll only feel Summer is now fixed firm when it's already December.

No double standards there. None at all.

Schumacher would try that at Spa 2000 but there was a Zonta in the way

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Errmm.... @40 seconds



and @30 seconds for the onboard

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oops my memory cheated on that, only remembered the pass

looks like old habits die hard

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I remember getting so angry with Schumacher's chops back in the day. Even when somebody did keep their nose in (like Montoya in Brazil... 2002?), they ended up losing their wing rather than puncturing the Ferrari's tyre. I can't understand how these moves were considered fair!

I can see why.
Malaysia there was definite overlap on the cars and a wreck happened.

Silverstone it was just a single move over to block and no contact.

It is about the intent rather than actual contact. The only reason there was no contact is due to Alonso putting two wheels off track.

Schumacher's chops were always aggressive and on the edge of the regulations. Yet when he was on the receiving end of similar instances, his competition were normally penalised. The only time I can think of when karma bit him back is Hungary 2010.

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Australia 2005 I think when he chopped heidfeld into the grass who then ended up running into the side of him due to not being able to stop.
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Hands down worst penalty evet: Spa 2008

The other day I watched Japan 2003 when something similar happened, Alonso cut the final chicane then passed iirc trulli at turn 1.
A few laps later the commentators think Alonso has a problem when actually he's slowing down to let the Toyota pass him back as instructed by the team.
The fia then got on the team email system and said they don't have to bother doing that , if was a fair pass (but it was too late by then)

There were plenty of instances of that happening but when Lewis did it it was penalty worthy. Pathetic

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Always on the fine line between 'holding the line' and 'running right off the track', but it was Senna so never mind...

Completely agree with you and I think we've discussed it here before. We talk and complain about the driving ethics of the current breed of top line drivers but all they're doing is emulating what the generation before them were doing. It could have been eradicated had the stewards nee governing body clamped down on it at the time. They didn't. And now we have Generation X who also think they're invincible and we see some pretty terrible examples of driving, like we saw many times in Euro F3 this year and in GP2 over the past few.

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For me, I hate the Spa 08 penalty and the one Vettel got for doing to Alonso just half of what Alonso did to him on the previous year and got unscathed.