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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:03 pm 
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WHAT DIFFERENCE DID DOUBLE POINTS MAKE?

Actual championship standings:

1 Dixon 556
2 Montoya 556
3 Power 493
4 Rahal 490
5 Castroneves 453
6 Hunter-Reay 436

Montoya's assertion that Dixon benefited from the Sonoma double score is correct, as the Colombian would have held on to his championship lead otherwise.

Standings without double score for Sonoma:

1 Montoya 528
2 Dixon 506
3 Rahal 478
4 Power 467
5 Castroneves 438
6 Newgarden 422

Montoya himself benefited from double points when he won the Indianapolis 500. Removing that advantage brings Dixon closer, but Montoya hangs on.

Standings with no double scores at all:

1 Montoya 478
2 Dixon 474
3 Rahal 448
4 Power 426
5 Castroneves 412
6 Newgarden 399

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:29 pm 
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I developed an awful migrane just before the green....just caught up with the race.

What a shitty end to an otherwise great season.

Might as well promote tg to walker's job and send the whole thing off a cliff the way I feel right now.

Not in love with the sport atm.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:40 pm 
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Dixon always has a lot of luck.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:02 pm 
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Gaara wrote:
Ganassi always has a lot of luck / good fortune with the stewards.


Corrected.

Through Dario's years of winning with Ganassi, there were many times when Ganassi and Dario would receive questionably favorable treatment from the race stewards. Prime example being Toronto in 2011.

Indycar 2015 has left a bad taste in my mouth. The last two weekends have left me numb for very different reasons. The season as a whole was ok. There were good races. There were some sublimely pathetic ones. But most of all, the series took a number of major steps backward this season. The new aero kits were badly executed, many races (especially the early ones) were lotteries thanks to overzealous officiating and yellow flags, aero-packages for the super-speedways were knife-edge questionable, not to forget the last minute decision to change tyre compounds for Sonoma... plus the decision most fans are already worried about, Derrick Walker leaving his role.

To repeat Codename's comment... "Not in love with the sport atm."

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:43 pm 
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A disappointing and sad end to an exciting season


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:18 pm 
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I'm a Montoya fan, but I will readily admit that after Indy he's been nowhere really. In '99 it was feast or famine and this year was more like a steady diet of salad. Take nothing away from Dixon. His only real shot was to show up, win the race and lead the most laps. He did what was necessary to win and Montoya did what he thought was necessary not to lose, sort of a prevent defense, which in the end only prevents you from winning.

Mixed feelings as we look ahead to 2016. Lots of uncertainty. Instead of capitalizing on their competitors problems, Indycar continues to shoot itself in the foot.


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Someone should see if Montoya wins with the old pre-chase NASCAR points system.


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kals: You do realise Derrick Walker was behind 90% of what you criticised right? I liked the guy before he started making a lot of dumb decisions. I can't sympathise with someone who screwed up so badly on the competition side.

How about Montoya being gifted pole positions when qualifying was abandoned twice? Castroneves taking out Dixon at the Indy GP and only getting a post-race points deduction? The dodgy restarts that he got away with several times? No penalty for JPM hitting his teammate while Bourdais was penalised, gifting another position?

Dixon has 38 wins and countless top 3 championship placings for a reason: he gets the job done and his side of the garage gets the job done. Weren't there a bunch of people complaining about Power\Penske foul play at the end of 2013?


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Has anyone realised that RHR finished 6th in the standings?!

Yeah, no more double points except Indy, please...


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Don't even need double points for Indy. You get a trophy and kudos that mean just as much if not more than those that were handed out yesterday.

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TBK001 wrote:
kals: You do realise Derrick Walker was behind 90% of what you criticised right? I liked the guy before he started making a lot of dumb decisions. I can't sympathise with someone who screwed up so badly on the competition side.


Walker was the public face of these aspects. He has been the victim of lots of backstabbing from inside Indycar and received less than good support when he tried making suggestions or push through his ideas to improve the sport. Look through some of the media reports about his resignation.

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How about Montoya being gifted pole positions when qualifying was abandoned twice? Castroneves taking out Dixon at the Indy GP and only getting a post-race points deduction? The dodgy restarts that he got away with several times? No penalty for JPM hitting his teammate while Bourdais was penalised, gifting another position?


The former is a standard part of Indy and has been for decades. Monty lost out in bad luck circumstances like Dixon benefited from good fortune. And as for JPM and Power's incident, it is a long shot to suggest it was penalty worthy like Bourdais on Rahal.

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Dixon has 38 wins and countless top 3 championship placings for a reason: he gets the job done and his side of the garage gets the job done.


Not sure how this is relevant. You're trying to compare someone who has been in Indy racing for 15 years and achieved deserved success against someone who has won and challenged for titles in multiple categories over the same period.

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Weren't there a bunch of people complaining about Power\Penske foul play at the end of 2013?


Yes at Sonoma, but there was an equal number of people being critical of Dixon for not being more careful when leaving his pit box. To suggest Penske would put one of their pit crew directly into a line of harm is just plain dumb.

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Penalise jpm for power turning in on him? Are you kidding?

That'd be like penalising him for Rubens turning in on him in the us gp 2001.

....oh. yeah.

Tho if people like helio were playing defense like tk was for Dixon we still might be looking at a different championship here too

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RtN wrote:
Don't even need double points for Indy. You get a trophy and kudos that mean just as much if not more than those that were handed out yesterday.


Same for Le Mans now with double points and all of that glory for the drivers and manufacturer.


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RtN wrote:
Don't even need double points for Indy. You get a trophy and kudos that mean just as much if not more than those that were handed out yesterday.


Indy 500 = fame. Indycarchamp = lame :p


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Stoked for Dixon, but feel for Juan, the double points thing is pretty shit, especially at a track that's hard to pass at.

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Gaara wrote:
Dixon always has a lot of luck.


You forget all the championships he's been in a running for during the last race and never won

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It was a good season overall. If you're going to get hung up on something, let it be Justin Wilson and not the points system fuckery.


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