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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:38 am 
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I like Gary Anderson's rules. Just bring back the tobacco sponsorships and let the teams have as many cars as they want, pay everyone a more equal sum out from the TV-money and that's it. Oh, and gravel traps, more gravel traps.

Why tobacco money? Have you seen any other business with similar interest rate to step in? Like medicines, banks or coffee industry? Me neither and if tobacco companies wants to invest, just let them where ever it's legal to do so. We're all going to die anyway so what's the reason to have a super-safe motorsport and health concerns over publicity of products that are not recommended by anyone anymore? I don't smoke, by the way. Just want to have a more teams in F1 grid.



Why don't tobacco companies start a clothing division (or something else) and promote the fuck out of it. They'll need to change a million and 1 laws before they can ban Marlboro Clothing to sponsor Ferrari or JPS Jeans to sponsor Lotus.

At the same time I don't understand why a Monster isn't involved more with the current precense of Red Bull.


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At the same time I don't understand why a Monster isn't involved more with the current precense of Red Bull.

They were with Mercedes but it seems that this has ended


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micha wrote:
NVirkkula wrote:
I like Gary Anderson's rules. Just bring back the tobacco sponsorships and let the teams have as many cars as they want, pay everyone a more equal sum out from the TV-money and that's it. Oh, and gravel traps, more gravel traps.

Why tobacco money? Have you seen any other business with similar interest rate to step in? Like medicines, banks or coffee industry? Me neither and if tobacco companies wants to invest, just let them where ever it's legal to do so. We're all going to die anyway so what's the reason to have a super-safe motorsport and health concerns over publicity of products that are not recommended by anyone anymore? I don't smoke, by the way. Just want to have a more teams in F1 grid.



Why don't tobacco companies start a clothing division (or something else) and promote the fuck out of it. They'll need to change a million and 1 laws before they can ban Marlboro Clothing to sponsor Ferrari or JPS Jeans to sponsor Lotus.

At the same time I don't understand why a Monster isn't involved more with the current precense of Red Bull.


They can't the tobacco advertising ban covers branding and subsidiaries to stop that.

I might be getting old, but I seem to remember Marlboro had their own catering division, called Marlboro Catering, and I have this flinting memory about threre being this big whoha ages ago about then putting those logos on a McLaren in a Country where tobacco sponsorship was banned (long before the EU banned it) and eventually them having to take the gos off the car before the race.

It's also why Philip Morris's electronic cigarette division is called Mark Ten and not Marlboro, Imperial have Blu etc. etc. It allows them to advertise without restriction because unless you take a lot of notice, the consumer would have no idea the ecig brand is owned by a tobacco firm.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 2:25 pm 
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I feel that since about 2010, the average gap between cars has never been as close in F1 history. Are there any numbers backing this, or am I imagining things?

It's like anyone can barely pull away at all, especially at the start of races. It used to be that the leader gets away by like 10 to 15 seconds before the first pit stop. Now for most of the first stint it's kind of a constant stream of cars with battles here and there.

I really like it tbh. You can say what you want about modern F1 but if there's one thing, it's that unlike in the early 2ks, you keep feeling that anything can still happen in the race (the leaders will not get away with a sudden penalty or a small off or a slight pit stop problem - cf. how Kimi and Vettel lost podiums).


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I feel that since about 2010, the average gap between cars has never been as close in F1 history. Are there any numbers backing this, or am I imagining things?

It's like anyone can barely pull away at all, especially at the start of races. It used to be that the leader gets away by like 10 to 15 seconds before the first pit stop. Now for most of the first stint it's kind of a constant stream of cars with battles here and there.

I really like it tbh. You can say what you want about modern F1 but if there's one thing, it's that unlike in the early 2ks, you keep feeling that anything can still happen in the race (the leaders will not get away with a sudden penalty or a small off or a slight pit stop problem - cf. how Kimi and Vettel lost podiums).


The main reason for pack being closer is the fuel rules. Save and coast is what everyone needs to do during the race, so there's no point to be too fast.

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at least they could change the engine rule to start at the back of the grid if you change the engine to a new one

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What f1 fans think: we like close racing and overtaking in powerful cars that are a driver challenge. Please fia limit topside aerodynamics, give us more engine power and bring the sport back to its roots of classic racers circuits to challenge the drivers.

What the fia thinks fans think: fans love the exotic look of our cars so let's push further into aero development and limit engine and mechanical development areas.
Fans love to engage with the sport through products so let's make sure there are cg adverts pf their favorite products all over the race tracks.
To do this we'll have to tarmac a lot of them over so the runoff works well as a big advertising space.
fans love new things so we'll bring in new tracks every 5 years at the expense of those boring old traditional ones.
We've also heard they love these new fangled app things so we'll launch one of our own that works terribly and has a tenth of the features you'd expect for that price. Meanwhile anyone who goes to a race and shares videos they filmed themselves of anything that happened must be destroyed by our legal team

Is it any wonder why the opinion of the sport is at a low when there's such a dichotomy between what the fans want from the sport and not only what is served up by the powers that be but the arrogance that they're right in giving us what we don't like and we should just take what we're given and be thankful for it.

What's wrong with f1 isn't the on track racing. It's the entire thought process that got us to this point

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How to fix it?

Watch Formula E. That series has been more interesting in the last year than F1.

How about the current F1 grid in Formula E cars?


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Lmao


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Jeff wrote:
How to fix it?

Watch Formula E. That series has been more interesting in the last year than F1.

How about the current F1 grid in Formula E cars?


those cars are about as fast as go-karts. When electric cars can go longer and faster than any internal combustion engine, then sure. Whenever that will happen....


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:30 pm 
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BUT THERES FAN VOTE AND LOTS OF ACTION


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Formula E has potential.
It's not great yet but each race has been entertaining and it seems to have made a bigger splash than something like a1gp did in its first year.

In 5 years time it can be something really special.
If it's not sabotaged by then BECAUSE it could be a threat ;)

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 1:05 pm 
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I've seen two races and I fell asleep iono


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It could be that I'm in a different fase of my live and don't have time for racing that much anymore but I was more excited about A1GP than about Formula E. A1GP also got more attention on TV over here.


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there's also room for make static suspension setups and let the cars race far more unstable (that without changing the tracks obviously)

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I'm not a fan of restricting the cars even more. They are enough Group N as it is now. I would like to see more technical freedom, but that will not happen anymore because of the costs that the rich teams will put in.


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I'd like to see technical freedom in areas that matter. Too much emphasis (and therefore investment) is placed on areas that make little difference.

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I'd like to see Formula E at a proper circuit, to see how it can perform at its best. Obviously only short tracks work for them, but it would be interesting to see.


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they could go fine at Brands Hatch indy circuit

about f1, the only way to give technical freedom is to set a budget cap

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