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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 11:14 pm 
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The f duct is artificial as hell and is ruining the sport, should be banned tbh

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How do fewer gears make an engine rev higher ? I thought that it would make the revs go lower on each upshift compared to a 7 or 8 gear gearbox :s


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REFUELLING
The aim here is to conduct pitstops - tyres and fuel on board - within the same timeframe as currently exists for present tyre-only stops of around three seconds.
Am I the only one that thinks that actually sounds a lot more dangerous than when we last had refueling?

I also read that they seriously discussed shorter races as well as a 2 race format similar to what DTM have this year.


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Scotty wrote:
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REFUELLING
The aim here is to conduct pitstops - tyres and fuel on board - within the same timeframe as currently exists for present tyre-only stops of around three seconds.
Am I the only one that thinks that actually sounds a lot more dangerous than when we last had refueling?


Assuming a 90L tank, they wanted to fill it up in 3 seconds, thats at a rate of about 30L/sec. Mid-air refuelling by planes happens at 50L/sec.

F1 used to do it at 12L/sec but the fuel couplings didn't change much from the mid-90's until they were banned. DOn't think it would be much more dangerous.

So they're going to up the rate almost 3 times, and everything is just going to be okay? Forget the rigs, rarely did the refueler get the hose on clean, and I don't mean getting it to lock in, but a couple of mms off the engagement could be a couple of tenths. What's the point of it? Letting the teams decide their own tire strategy would make the racing more interesting.

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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2015 9:16 am 
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Erm what? KERS was introduced in 2009. That was 6 years ago.
KERS was not used in F1 in 2010 ;)
But it was in 2009.


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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2015 9:57 am 
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So are these changes definite or likely to be altered before being approved?

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HIGHER REVVING ENGINES
Cars would revert to a six-speed gearbox, which would increase the revs, and in turn increase speed, hitting those targets of laps designed to be five to six seconds quicker.

A six-speed 'box would also be lighter, too.



Why would a 6 speed gearbox be faster? Don't the current cars have more gears, surely more gears will be faster as the engine will be in the optimum power band for more of the lap? If 6 gears was faster wouldn't teams just use them now?
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I personally think those ideas are all great.

I've posted this a few times, they've stripped away the downforce, made the cars easier at the limit, easier to follow and easier to pass.

Time to go in the other direction.

Not sure about the refuelling, I'm one of those who actually liked the refuelling aspect.


I don't know if the cars are easier to drive on the limit, but the cars have certainly moved around more in recent years, which is much better to watch than the years when they looked like they were on rails.

I don't think making the cars harder to follow through corners is a good idea, that was one of the major problems of the late 90s and 00s where cars would get stuck about a second or so behind in dirty air and not get any closer, hence why refuelling became the default way of overtaking.


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If the extra downforce is added by underbody aero, and accompanied by simplification of the front wings, then they could easily create faster cars that could follow each other.

What bothers me is that they are casually discussing reintroducing things that were banned on safety grounds. Is complacency creeping back in already?

Force India have already pointed out that this seals the argument on cost saving, as they have voted to do everything except curb spending. This leaves independent teams with the options of somehow continuing to swallow the costs, diluting their brand by becoming a full customer team, or leaving. Of all the reactions to the plans, this one seems to have been the only one to show concern about the complete lack of focus on the existing financial problems.

Someone remind me: what was Nero up to while Rome burned?


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They've all apparently agreed to everything. Why do I hate this sport I love?

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I'll wait & see how it all transforms out on track in 2017 & be the judge then...

I don't mind refueling coming back in, but they did remove it for safety reasons before - too many cars being released with the fuel rig still attached & either knocking down the fuel man &/or ripping off the fuel hose before stopping half way down the pit lane with it still attached. I remember a Ferrari in Singapore having this occur & Christian Albers in the Midland at France having a similar experience...

Changing tact abit, it's not that far away now until Haas F1 announce there driver line up for 2016. They're targeting August/September to have their drivers signed & announced, so that would mean they would be in discussions with them currently. Could see some activity on this news around the Canadian Gp... Who could go to Haas F1, Raikkonen or Mugnussen perhaps?


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if Go Daddy agrees to sponsor, Danica will go

but I dunno if she stays after testing

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Danica might be good for marketing, but she'll be 34 next season, and has proven to be nothing more than an average driver when she's at her best. Putting her in an F1 car would be a disaster in terms of performance, but I guess it could be worth a lot to the team financially.


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Danica has no sponsor for nascar in 2016 (and most likely no ride as a consequence), so how in holy hell would she able to get a sponsor for F1 instead?

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kals wrote:
Danica has no sponsor for nascar in 2016 (and most likely no ride as a consequence), so how in holy hell would she able to get a sponsor for F1 instead?


Would she need to bring a sponsor to Haas however? The guy has money and accepts the team will struggle at first.
Get a somewhat experienced, fast driver (Gutierrez is rumored) and one that traps the media attention. If Danica can be within 107% and keep the dumb moves to a bare minimum she'll get more airtime than most other drivers not fighting for the win.


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Gutierrez and Rossi are the (logical) names I'm reading in connection with the team. Mentioning Danica is only increasing publicity for the team at this time only, she's not going to be racing for the team although I cannot see why they wouldn't sign her up as an ambassador or Friday driver in 2016 (similar to Susie Wolff at Williams).

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Danica is going to RFR to be with her mullet obsessed boyfriend.


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Danica is going to RFR to be with her mullet obsessed boyfriend.


They are welcome to her. They've needed a filly to replace Carl.

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2015 1:36 am 
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I think you might be right Kals, if she is involved in F1 somehow, it will be a reserve driver, doing the odd test like Wolff. I'd say she would almost be a given to do the US GP. It never crossed my mind to think how old she was. Who out of the modern era has made their race debut at an older age? I can only think of McNish, who was what...32?


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Damon Hill was 31 when he made the 1992 British GP grid. McNish was 32 or 33.

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Lotterer was 32 last season.

After doing a bit of research I was surprised to read that Giovanni Lavaggi was 37 when he made his debut in 1995, and Toshio Suzuki was 38 when he made his only two F1 appearances in 1993.

The oldest I could find was Arthur Légat, who was 53 when he made his debut in 1952, and the oldest ever entrant was Louis Chiron, who was 58 when he failed to qualify for the 1958 Monaco Grand Prix. I can't see those records ever being broken!


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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2015 10:18 am 
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So does that mean if Giovanni Lavaggi made his debut when he was 10 years younger he would have set F1 alight? hahaha. Well he kinda did in Germany that one time and didn't even know it.


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