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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:29 pm 
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Fabs wrote:
If you're so into engine sound and that's the reason you watched F1, there are better sounding racing categories out there.

Opinions are different for everyone, but reading your post i'm curious which racing categories these are?

For me nothing beats the v10 sound of the late '90s and early '00s. Ferrari's v12 were also amazing, and the v8 engines used in the '90s sounded much better (to me) then the ones used since 2006


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The only thing I miss about the early 2000 era are the race tracks.


and the colorful cars. we had green, yellow, blue, black all in great liveries

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That famous Senna pole lap onboard at Suzuka has the best sounding engine ever for me. A true beast.



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My kinda sound (at 30 secs). Yes no F1, but this is sound porn. I couldn't find a decent DTM vid of the 93/94/95 with decent sound.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU9mQ7z5JVQ[/youtube]


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That famous Senna pole lap onboard at Suzuka has the best sounding engine ever for me. A true beast.


I remember being actually afraid in his place when watching this


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That's impressive and exciting but you do realize that's footage from the race not the pole position lap.

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LucasWheldon wrote:
Misterfreeman87 wrote:
The only thing I miss about the early 2000 era are the race tracks.


and the colorful cars. we had green, yellow, blue, black all in great liveries


Gravel traps lol

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LucasWheldon wrote:
Misterfreeman87 wrote:
The only thing I miss about the early 2000 era are the race tracks.


and the colorful cars. we had green, yellow, blue, black all in great liveries


Cool, but i want sponsored by Penthouse, Rizla and Durex F1 cars on the Nordschleife :metal:
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It stay to be legal in our time. :D

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I was shocked when I saw what Rizla+ is

then I was 8)


BTW Alex Dias Ribeiro raced that Penthouse car, but he is devoted christian. I guess he didn't cared while he had a drive

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noikeee wrote:
That's impressive and exciting but you do realize that's footage from the race not the pole position lap.



I knew at least it wasn't the video I was really looking for, but had the engine.


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I don't know the statistics but I would almost 100% bet there has been more non DRS and non tyre assisted passing than there was in the 10 years leading up to this era.

There is no overtaking that is free from at least one of these elements and that's why I don't even call this BS "racing". You know what, to hell with today's racing, even on wet track people can't race for real nowadays. In the boring era of 2000s, at least we had great racing when it rained. Now it's not the same and even the overtakes are assisted by DRS as in Hamilton DRSing Rosberg at Suzuka 2014
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Apparently it was necessary to get the race back in 2004. A stupid corner, only Montoya seemed to pass anyone there.

It wasn't a corner good for passing and it only worked one time because Schumacher was very gentle with JPM, then, a few laps later he tried the same thing with Trulli and saw the race track the other way around :lol:


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Jesus christ..... :whistling:

If you thought Lewis going around the outside of rosberg in the WET at suzukas turn 1 was a b.s. easy pass then there may be no hope for you.
Lewis himself nearly threw it all away trying the exact same thing a few laps before.

there's more great passing outside of drs zones that drs doesn't get the credit for keeping the cars close together for these days than easy 2011 style shooting past in a straight line on v-max style easy passes.

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Doesn't being so relentlessly negative get tiring after a while?

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Yeah even I get sick of being me after a while.

Oh.....you mean him. *cough*

:lol:

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codename_47 wrote:
Traction control, ABS brakes, refuelling, grooved tyres, aerodynamic flick ups, skinny cars, no overtaking, oh and 1 driver domination
(Which yes, we've had since too but the racing behind the dominant drivers has always been amazing since 2010)

Nah, this was close to the nadir of F1 tbh, no wonder I defected and became a Champcar fanboy...imagine getting up to watch this then later on in the day a handford oval race, or road america 2001, Laguna Seca 2001 etc..
"Why, these cars look 100 times better and they can race 10000x better too....wat?"

Only time F1 was worth watching in this era was if there was a random safety car that threw everyones routine fuel strategy out the window, or rain.
Refuelling was supposed to spice up the sport but all it meant was all the teams followed the exact same strategy and had the exact same fuel load which caused the exact same tyre wear and none of that could compensate for the aerodynamic push effect through fast corners causing massive field spread after a lap or 2.

There might be a lot of bullshit problems off track in todays shitty F1 but at least when the cars are on track they pass and repass each other occasionally.
Heck, even most practice sessions these days are more exciting than races back then, with the on throttle oversteer and stuff.

Case in point: how much we used to dread races at the Hungaroring in the 90s/2000s and how for the last few seasons it has been one of the best races of the year.
That says it all really.


This is just your opinion. Stated as fact.


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Artur Craft complains a lot about F1 2015 although admits he doesn't watch, but complains more about F1 2015. Awesome logic.

I'm with Phil and Paul, the negativity is utterly boring. We get you don't like current F1, but that's the only thing that's posted about and no-one is allowed to say something to contrary without being told they are wrong.

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momo1911 wrote:
codename_47 wrote:
Traction control, ABS brakes, refuelling, grooved tyres, aerodynamic flick ups, skinny cars, no overtaking, oh and 1 driver domination
(Which yes, we've had since too but the racing behind the dominant drivers has always been amazing since 2010)

Nah, this was close to the nadir of F1 tbh, no wonder I defected and became a Champcar fanboy...imagine getting up to watch this then later on in the day a handford oval race, or road america 2001, Laguna Seca 2001 etc..
"Why, these cars look 100 times better and they can race 10000x better too....wat?"

Only time F1 was worth watching in this era was if there was a random safety car that threw everyones routine fuel strategy out the window, or rain.
Refuelling was supposed to spice up the sport but all it meant was all the teams followed the exact same strategy and had the exact same fuel load which caused the exact same tyre wear and none of that could compensate for the aerodynamic push effect through fast corners causing massive field spread after a lap or 2.

There might be a lot of bullshit problems off track in todays shitty F1 but at least when the cars are on track they pass and repass each other occasionally.
Heck, even most practice sessions these days are more exciting than races back then, with the on throttle oversteer and stuff.

Case in point: how much we used to dread races at the Hungaroring in the 90s/2000s and how for the last few seasons it has been one of the best races of the year.
That says it all really.


This is just your opinion. Stated as fact.


You were younger then and watching the races less critically.

Everything is better in the past

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kals wrote:
Artur Craft complains a lot about F1 2015 although admits he doesn't watch, but complains more about F1 2015. Awesome logic.

I'm with Phil and Paul, the negativity is utterly boring. We get you don't like current F1, but that's the only thing that's posted about and no-one is allowed to say something to contrary without being told they are wrong.


Indeed. Formula 1 isn't perfect and there's a lot which needs to be sorted out. However, every motor racing series has several weaknesses, only that Formula 1's are accentuated by the fact that it is the market leader and consequently held to greater scrutiny.

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Totally agree Phil. F1's issues are well catalogued and no-one here is in enough denial to believe the sport is perfect. It was once at top of its game and it will get back there one day. I hope.

But look elsewhere and you will see top line motorsports that have recovered to former glory... MotoGP, WSBK, WSC, even BTCC (although current rules maybe one step too far, we'll see over the course of the season).

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Artur Craft wrote:
There is no overtaking that is free from at least one of these elements


Given that there are only one or two DRS zones on each track, it would seem fairly obvious that drivers *can* pass without it. Or are you suggesting that the passes seen outside these zones were fakes?


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