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i've never been a racing fan so iono


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I've read somewhere this week that vd Garde is a contender for the second seat at Manor


I think Giedo needs to figure out who he wants to race for firstly...

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Van der Garde takes legal action against Sauber


Giedo van der Garde is taking legal action against Sauber, claiming that he was unfairly dismissed from the team with which he held a valid 2015 contact, according to Australian media.

Van der Garde raced for Caterham in 2013 but moved to a reserve role with Sauber in 2014, where he participated in selected free practice sessions.

Van der Garde claims that he was guaranteed a spot on the 2015 grid with Sauber during the middle of last year, but the team reneged on the deal and signed Felipe Nasr and Marcus Ericsson.

The Dutch driver has lodged documents to the Victorian Supreme Court in Melbourne, Australia, where he is seeking an urgent case in order to secure one of the Sauber seats ahead of the first round of the campaign.

Local media reports that Van der Garde originally took his claim to the Arbitration Institution in Switzerland - the country in which Sauber is based - which sided with the driver.

GPUpdate.net contacted both Van der Garde and Sauber but neither party was available for comment.

Link: http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/3227 ... st-sauber/

I think he's gone about this the wrong way, the Australian legal system doesn't have the jurisdiction to rule on this, because it's not an Australian company & the contract wasn't signed in Australian territory. Paul stoddart pulled a similar stunt a a few years ago, to get Minardi on the grid for Australia. He got the court to rule in his favor that his cars met the governing bodys regulation, but really they didn't have the right to... Still, that was back in 2002, & we all know what Webber achieved that weekend. You could ulimatley say, had that court ruling not gone Minardi's way, Webber might not have ever had a career in F1... Interesting when you think about it....

But, the Contract recognition board would be the correct avenue to go down, purely because it's a specialised court that examines F1 contracts & their validity....


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and in the latest version of F1 going bananas

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Teams threatening boycott over Alonso crash?

F1 teams are threatening to boycott unless clearer information about Fernando Alonso's mysterious testing crash is revealed.

That is the claim of the German magazine Sport Bild, after McLaren-Honda's star driver was sidelined for next weekend's season opener in Melbourne.

McLaren insists Alonso is completely uninjured, but he will sit out Australia after a mysterious incident saw him spend four days in hospital.

"Sport Bild has learned that several teams are thinking about not letting their drivers race in Melbourne on safety grounds," said correspondents Ralf Bach and Bianca Garloff.

They said teams fear speculation that Alonso was rendered unconscious by an electric shock from the sport's controversial hybrid technology may be true.

Sport Bild quoted a team boss as saying: "If a plane crashes and there is even the slightest risk that it happened because of a system fault, other planes of that type are not left in the air."

The unnamed boss added: "Formula one has been lucky that nothing serious has happened with these hybrid systems.

"If any of my drivers had an incident, I would invite all the other teams to study the data -- just so we can be sure. Honda must provide answers to the FIA."

Another new voice calling for more information about Alonso's mysterious crash belongs to Gian Carlo Minardi, a former team owner and boss.

"Silence in cases like these is not helpful," he is quoted by Italy's La Repubblica.

"In recent years, the FIA has made great strides in the area of safety and has all the tools to find out the truth.

"It would be desirable if it was known before the race in Australia," Minardi added.

When asked about the electric shock theory, he commented: "I have no evidence to support that so I can't comment.

"I have never worked with these power units, but I am told there are three or four fail-safe systems.

"There is this investigation of the FIA, so for the good of F1 there cannot be any classified information," Minardi insisted.

The 67-year-old Italian, however, did say he is not surprised Alonso is sitting out Melbourne.

"No," said Minardi, "it's the only normal thing in this whole affair.

"He is like a boxer who went down with a heavy blow. It takes time to come back, even if all the tests were positive."


Is earthing a possibility due to contact between the track surface and the titanium skid block?


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Anything is possible, but titanium isn't a good conductor, compared to say copper, infact carbon graphite is far more efficient than titanium (I dunno if they build the cars out of carbon graphite or carbon fibre these days), carbon fibre is a reasonably good conductor too, better than titanium anyway.

Anyway I doubt these cars would have a common earth since they run both DC and AC systems.

And that theory doesn't hold water anyway because Fernando is isolated from earth inside the car, the car may make contact with the ground, but he doesn't, the only explanation for the car grounding out and electricity affecting Fred is if it set off a EMP, which is about as likely as me winning the lottery.

This is the same theory as what allows you to stand on the live rail without being shocked, you'll only get a shock from if if you get close enough to earth for the current to jump, all the time you are isolated from earth it's almost impossible to get a shock in a closed system unless you short between two points (an example I gave at TFL) or touch earth.

My personal theory is he simply made a mistake and crashed, he is human after all, or blacked out due to extreme dieting or some other issue (low blood pressure, cold etc.), but McLaren are so bad at handling things they think it's better to not say anything and feed the fire than say 'we don't know what happened' or 'the great man made a mistake'.

The don't race I can understand, after all the car is shit, it's a 48 hour round trip at high altitude, and he is recovering from concussion, so it's a no brainer really, don't bother risking all that for 10th place.


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Perfect example of bullshit click-bait article:

- Flashy title,

- Pretend shedding new light on a 'controversy' that was fading off,

- Insider info from UNNAMED SOURCE of influence (Yeah, like that anonym asshole would let his drivers risk unconsciousness at 300kph on a dangerous street circuit, simply for fear of speaking his mind and publicly politely asking for an investigation),

- Account from another old, respected authority from the field. Don't mind that they genuinely don't have any additional info on the issue at hand and just say generalities: they're respected and they know their shit, so FREE CREDIBILITY.

All this, plus I remember reading on here that Bild isn't the best source according to many TBK members.

Goddammit. You know those days where something minor like this pisses you off to no extent and you start wishing terrible things on the "journalist" that writes this non-info bullcrap? Yeah it's one of those days. This kind of practice is what lowers the bar in journalism. This article is bad, and the writer should feel bad.


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Coldtyre has just accurately described The DailyMail's journalism model.

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kals wrote:
Coldtyre has just accurately described The British journalism model.


FTFY.


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Ian-S wrote:
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Coldtyre has just accurately described The British journalism model.


FTFY.


Now Ian, come on! The team behind The Sun's Page 3 probably disagrees!

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 2:20 pm 
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Sorry all I read there was tits, tits and more tits.


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BBC say they have seen Alonso's GPS/Lap time data from the crash:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/31732315

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There have been conflicting reports about the speed of Alonso's accident, which happened on the exit of Turn Three at the Circuit De Barcelona-Catalunya. But some facts are known.

This writer has seen the GPS and lap-time data of both the lap on which the Spaniard crashed and the lap before. The computer telemetry from the car, which contains all the data, including braking and steering inputs, has not been released by McLaren.

The GPS and lap time data shows both the line Alonso was on, and the speed he was doing at the time. It reveals the following:

Alonso's previous lap was the fastest he had done that day. On the subsequent lap, the lap of the crash, he brakes deeper into Turn One, and is wider out of it.

That dictates a different line through the kink of Turn Two, from where he takes a wider entry - a potentially faster line - into Turn Three, the racing line of which sees the drivers run right out at the edge of the track throughout the second part of the corner.

Alonso enters Turn Three noticeably faster than on the previous lap. It is hard to be absolutely sure of the difference, but it is in the region of 5-7km/h. In other words, a significant amount.

He maintains his wider line throughout - so will have had more of the car on the kerb than on the previous lap. He loses control at a speed of about 215km/h (134mph), give or take a km/h or so.

This is about the speed a driver would be expected to be travelling at this point. Some sources say it is a bit slow, but we know it was faster than the previous lap, which was his fastest so far, and we also know he was slightly off line.

McLaren say Alonso lost control because his outside rear wheel was on the Astroturf on the outside of the corner, and also that strong gusting winds - about which the driver had been complaining all morning - may well have played a part.

The car then decelerates heavily throughout the period before Alonso hits the wall.

Engineers who have seen the GPS data say the deceleration trace is almost identical to that for braking into Turn Four, a hairpin.

Alonso did not run at a specific lower speed for any significant amount of time. There is a small blip in the data where the deceleration levels out, but this is for only between 0.2-0.3 secs.

It is impossible to be sure from the GPS data at what speed the car was travelling when it hit the wall.

McLaren chairman Ron Dennis says: "There were two G readings, when his head hit one side of the cockpit and then the other side of the cockpit."


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kals wrote:
Now Ian, come on! The team behind The Sun's Page 3 probably disagrees!


Sadly, American journalism is hardly better than Britain's The Sun / Daily Fail / etc. or Germany's Bild these days. (Main difference: we don't have "Page 3s".)


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Sorry all I read there was tits, tits and more tits.


But which part of our posts are you describing? The DailyMail, The Sun or the british media?

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I'm reading in a Swedish tabloid that after the crash he thought it was 1995 and he is doing karting. He also did not remember his debut year 2001 or his two WDC titles.


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Not unsurprising, I didn't know where I was or what the year or day was, but I knew my name, where I was born and what school I went to, which isn't helpful when you're pushing mid-40's and trying to convince people you're ok., took me a few hours to get my bearings and I hadn't done anything near as bad as Fred.


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And first it was published in EL PAÍS, a Spanish news edition that is positioned as a rather truthful source of information.


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Not unsurprising, I didn't know where I was or what the year or day was, but I knew my name, where I was born and what school I went to, which isn't helpful when you're pushing mid-40's and trying to convince people you're ok., took me a few hours to get my bearings and I hadn't done anything near as bad as Fred.


Many years ago now I had a crash in testing at Mallory Park. Within minutes of the crash I got bundled into the back of an ambulance because they said I was acting weirdly and being incoherent. When in fact all that I was doing was stomping my feet, shouting and swearing (basically doing the Danica act) because I'd crashed a car that I'd now have to pay to repair.

It wasn't a hard hit but my behaviour plus ambulance crews being cautious shouldn't be surprising. The story of Brundle in Monaco in 1984 is the one I always think of when it comes to concussion and the after-effects.

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Why what did he do?

My infamous shunt at Brands always makes people laugh when I recount the story of Robin Murphy holding my head in a brace position, I woke up and asked him what the fuck he was doing strangling me, to which he answered keep your mouth shut while we try and stop a fire going off, and get a brace for your neck, a few minutes later he then asked me if I had any pain elsewhere and I shook my head, to be promptly told not to move my fucking neck, my reply was along the lines of well you told me to be quiet so how else am I going to answer you, make your fucking mind up will you LOL.

He said it as like having a conversation with a drunk 5 year old.


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Why what did he do?


It was his famous crash crash at Tabac where the Tyrrell ended on it's side. He went back to the pits, got in the spare car and asked what circuit he was at.


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