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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:05 am 
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Koba saying he didn't have rear brakes...

https://twitter.com/kamui_kobayashi/sta ... 6845937664

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Stoegi wrote:
so he will be DQed for this race then?

I guess that part is being decided now?

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Apparently there have been issues with the censors monitoring the fuel flow rate so no doubt Red Bull will come up with a case against it


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Koba saying he didn't have rear brakes...

https://twitter.com/kamui_kobayashi/sta ... 6845937664

Still looked like a stupid mistake, we will never know for sure.


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Apparently Reb Bull are appealing the situation now.

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Shaddix wrote:
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Koba saying he didn't have rear brakes...

https://twitter.com/kamui_kobayashi/sta ... 6845937664

Still looked like a stupid mistake, we will never know for sure.


Caterham says he has no brakes. We do know for sure. It looks like a stupid mistake because the brake bias moves to 100% front at that point, so both front wheels will automatically lock.


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He has already 3 seasons behind his belt and I don't think I have ever seen him made this kinda mistake. So I tend to believe him.


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ellis wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
DEMENTOR wrote:
Koba saying he didn't have rear brakes...

https://twitter.com/kamui_kobayashi/sta ... 6845937664

Still looked like a stupid mistake, we will never know for sure.


Caterham says he has no brakes. We do know for sure. It looks like a stupid mistake because the brake bias moves to 100% front at that point, so both front wheels will automatically lock.


And for closure;

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The stewards determine that the incident was caused by a serious technical failure completely outside the control of the driver.


http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112956

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This may seem like a noob question, and I would appreciate clarification, but in the ricciardo situation, how does such a violation occur. from my understanding, the cars have a 100kg fuel tank and the flow limit is 100kg/h, so rightfully, shouldn't he have run out of fuel at some point or am I misinterpreting the whole thing.

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Afro_dud wrote:
This may seem like a noob question, and I would appreciate clarification, but in the ricciardo situation, how does such a violation occur. from my understanding, the cars have a 100kg fuel tank and the flow limit is 100kg/h, so rightfully, shouldn't he have run out of fuel at some point or am I misinterpreting the whole thing.

My understanding is that they may only be using that flow rate at full throttle at high revs for a portion of each lap whereas the rest of the lap when off throttle or anywhere inbetween the flow rate will be significantly lower and thus why they can run for a two hour race. My guess is at wide open throttle they were exceeding this flow rate but not by enough to give them any consumption issues over the course of the race.


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What I understand of it, it is like a speed limit. You can go over the speed limit, but you can get caught by a speed camera. Ricciardo used more fuel then allowed at some point during the race, and then probably compensated by consuming much less at other times. The limit probably is in place to not get too big speed differences between cars. If 1 car is using the maximum amount of fuel (probably more than 100kg/h) and 1 car is saving a lot you can get dangerous situations. Now the speed is more even for the whole race.

This is what I think it is, I could be completely wrong.


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They fitted a new metre on Daniel's car in parc ferme yesterday...oops

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That sounds fishy (not refering to myself).


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They put a faulty one on, that'll be the defence :lol:

This whole fuel flow rule is a crock of shit, it's not motor racing.


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Ted Kravitz reporting that Ricciardo has been disqualified.

https://twitter.com/tedkravitz/status/4 ... 7285111808


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Yeah I don't understand the need for a fuel mass flow rate limitation on these things. They have a RPM limit and they have fuel and engine capacity limits so the rest would kind of sort itself out and I would have thought they would all lie more or less in the same region. If they can extract more power by throwing more fuel in at peak then good on them if they can still reach the end of the race.

Pity for Ricciardo, he really drove brilliantly all weekend and deserved that.

edit: The more I think about it the more I think it's a rule which is really in place for qualifying moreso than the race to stop them running bonkers boost.


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Reece wrote:
edit: The more I think about it the more I think it's a rule which is really in place for qualifying moreso than the race to stop them running bonkers boost.
I believe that the fuel flow meter & limit is there in place of the pop-off valve which was used with turbo's in the past.

I seem to remember reading about it when Indycar went back to turbo's in 2012. Something about regulating fuel flow been a more consistent & efficient way of regulating power output than the pop-off valves were.


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