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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:20 pm 
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Give the drivers a full tank fresh tyres and a pit board what more do they need.
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Apparently the FIA will ban Driving Instructor radiotransmissions.Already for the Singapore GP.

Just like: "Brake later at T5, Save Fuel in T9,save your Tyres for the next 5 laps,

For me that would be finally something good :thumbsup:

Based on Article 20.1 of the sporting regulations:

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“The driver must drive the car alone and unaided.”


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http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news ... 90905.html

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http://www.inautonews.com/fia-to-ban-ra ... A8tahb0WHs



That's really great news. But can the teams somehow pass through that? Like saying really sarcastically things like "absolutely no need to save ANY more fuel now and no need to LET YOUR TEAMMATE PASS YOU at any point. Just multi 12 and mode yellow six B for the next ten laps."

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DT for talking to driver...


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:41 pm 
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just ban radio, except for penalties

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Those sorts of radio messages never really bothered me to be honest, I quite liked getting the extra bit of insight on where drivers were gaining/losing time & how they were driving at that point with regards to fuel/tyre management.

Having said that I'm not really against them regulating those types of messages, Providing it doesn't have a negative impact on the racing.


The team radio messages has always been one element of the broadcast i've really enjoyed, Especially on the pits channel the past few years so I'd be against a total ban.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:48 pm 
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Stefmeister I know what you mean but that the Drivers are asking for Driving Instructions(Like Rosberg in FP @ Monza)is far over the top for me.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:53 pm 
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Don't see it as a problem, I would do the same thing. Why wouldn't you ask the team for things you can't see inside the cockpit.

Oh well, it won't change a lot I guess.


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I guess we may see an increase in coded messages. But it's about time these kinds of communications came to an end. Drivers should be using instinct rather than relying on pit wall instruction. But then again, F1's rules around fuel usage, etc.. is to blame.

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Drivers managed it before. Sure some ran out but most managed to make it. We've seen them run close and stop after the line in recent seasons even with all this telemetry and radio contact.

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this kind of ban is positive because when a driver face problems, he must not be able to solve with an engineers help, therefore DNF

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Its a slippery slope if they ban those communications. For example, if the telemetry picks up an inconsistency in say the gearbox and the engineers give a message along the lines of "short shift on all gear changes, or avoid using gear 8" then that is driver coaching is it not? Or how about "you need to increase the gap to xxxx behind you by xxxx seconds" or "you are loosing ground in sector 1"?

If the teams have the telemetry to gauge the performance of the cars and drivers, why should they not be able to communicate that info with the drivers? Just ban telemetry all together then.


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That's what practice sessions are for. They can come back to the pits, study telemetry, feedback all they want, know their tyre and fuel usage, then on race day it's like an exam. You're all alone out there to apply what you learned during the week-end. If you fail, tough shit. If the car fails, well then welcome to racing.

Teams will not accept, or find a cheap trick to come around this, because at this day an age everybody runs their businesses like pussies and don't want to take any risk.


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Its a slippery slope if they ban those communications. For example, if the telemetry picks up an inconsistency in say the gearbox and the engineers give a message along the lines of "short shift on all gear changes, or avoid using gear 8" then that is driver coaching is it not? Or how about "you need to increase the gap to xxxx behind you by xxxx seconds" or "you are loosing ground in sector 1"?

If the teams have the telemetry to gauge the performance of the cars and drivers, why should they not be able to communicate that info with the drivers? Just ban telemetry all together then.


This. It is completely unrequired and hasn't been thought through.


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I think we are misunderstanding the banned radio messages.
Pretty sure they will stay but won't be aired on TV,so we have a better opinion and no more "let em race" attitude. But the engineers will keep suggesting the drivers what to do,it's impossible they ban something like this overnight.

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ellis wrote:
This. It is completely unrequired and hasn't been thought through.


Manny things in F1 arent tought trough..


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DinoMarko93 wrote:
I think we are misunderstanding the banned radio messages.
Pretty sure they will stay but won't be aired on TV,so we have a better opinion and no more "let em race" attitude. But the engineers will keep suggesting the drivers what to do,it's impossible they ban something like this overnight.


http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/115776
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Following discussions at an F1 Strategy Group meeting at the Italian Grand Prix, it is understood a number of teams have asked the FIA to find a way of banning certain types of radio communications because they are considered a turn-off for fans.

Although there is little desire for a total ban on team radio, it is understood that efforts will be made to outlaw specific communications from the pits that help drivers with their performance.

This is likely to come from a strict enforcement of Article 20.1 of F1's Sporting Regulations that states: "The driver must drive the car alone and unaided."

The FIA could make it clear that any communication from the pits that helps the drivers with their performance - rather than being for procedural or safety reasons - is a breach of the rules.



The thing for me is that F1 is a team sport, Yes the drivers are the one's out there driving the cars but if the team can see from telemetry or the timing data that a driver is losing time in a specific sector/corner then for the benefit of the team why should they not be allowed to tell a driver where he's losing time. If by doing that it allows a driver to find that time & be more competitive which gives us a better race then why is it seen as such a negative?

The drivers are still the one's driving the cars, Even when told where there losing time the drivers are still the one's who have to go out there & put the data into practice by braking later, carrying more speed & getting on the throttle sooner. By been told he needs to brake later into turn 1 or whatever Max Chilton is not suddenly on the same level as Hamilton, Its still down to driver skill to figure out how to improve where there told they need to.

It happens in other categories so why should it suddenly be banned in F1 just because everyone within F1 want to ignore the real reasons why many fans have turned off or been unable to afford to tune in to begin with.


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StefMeister wrote:
DinoMarko93 wrote:
I think we are misunderstanding the banned radio messages.
Pretty sure they will stay but won't be aired on TV,so we have a better opinion and no more "let em race" attitude. But the engineers will keep suggesting the drivers what to do,it's impossible they ban something like this overnight.


http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/115776
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Following discussions at an F1 Strategy Group meeting at the Italian Grand Prix, it is understood a number of teams have asked the FIA to find a way of banning certain types of radio communications because they are considered a turn-off for fans.

Although there is little desire for a total ban on team radio, it is understood that efforts will be made to outlaw specific communications from the pits that help drivers with their performance.

This is likely to come from a strict enforcement of Article 20.1 of F1's Sporting Regulations that states: "The driver must drive the car alone and unaided."

The FIA could make it clear that any communication from the pits that helps the drivers with their performance - rather than being for procedural or safety reasons - is a breach of the rules.


It's clear that it is supposed to be banned completely. But do you really think it will be like this?

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DinoMarko93 wrote:
It's clear that it is supposed to be banned completely. But do you really think it will be like this?
Like the ban on team orders teams will likely find a way around it via coded messages or by just using the pit board.


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