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The next race being 3 weeks away from now must be a great relief for RBR, they will have a lot of work to do in order to deal with this situation. It will be interesting to see how that will reflect on track performance and behaviour from both Vettel and Webber. Can't wait for China and the next chapter of this.

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Performance cannot be the only thing that determines whether a driver stays at a team or not. The atmosphere must be right as well. For example, Lewis is better off at Mercedes not because of a faster car (although it is nice), but because of the atmosphere. If Mark is no longer happy at Red Bull, he should leave and go somewhere that's better for him.

On that note, does Whitmarsh want to talk about regret yet?

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Yeah, I know he's mad and I don't care. I do not care. I did not care then. I do not care now. I'm here to race him.

But in Marks case, Red Bull is his best shot at a title. His career is coming to an end, purely due to age. When he can get the starts right, he can run at the front of any race he wants. His starts are essentially what cost him the last 2 titles, because they crippled every race. He can win a title at Red Bull, but it's questionable if he'd find a good seat elsewhere.

And people need to stop saying Red Bull screwed Webber today. Watch the interviews. They arranged for him to win. Vettel screwed Webber, not Red Bull.

This is correct.

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Can't imagine Red Bull PRs Britta and Barbara arranging this again

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whats the chance of Webber driving for Red Bull in 2014 now

about 100% if you ask me

He'll be there. He won't leave because there's no where else for him.

Err, that's just a small huge amount of bullshit. To say there's nowhere else he'd be as competitive in would be more accurate.

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Does he have a trauma for Le Mans? Otherwise he would be a perfect driver for Porsche next year IMO.

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I can't understand people are angry at Vettel. We had a very great race. And then after the 4th stop, both Red Bull and Mercedes are saying to their drivers to stop racing. That is not what we want to see. I have seen a great battle with Webber and Vettel. You can ask if it was fair, but I want to see great racing. And I don't want to see teams saying to their drivers at 75% of the race to stop racing.

"I am not fine with it. No. That's the answer to that. Of course I ignored the team as I want to try and get another place" - Mark Webber, Silverstone 2011.

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it's like Button suddenly having a go at Hamilton (Istanbul 2010). Hamilton then turned the power back on for it not to happen, and that's what Webber should have done as well today.

IMO.

This!

And all the fans who paid for the tickets in Malaysia.

this is just making him look like an even bigger duche,after all easy to apologies AFTER the fact when the win can't be taken off you.I would have much more respect for Vettel if he just said " I was faster and took my shot". Fake apologies and getting out of the car and celebrating like a boss just make him look even more fake and petulant.

At the end of the day when Webber ignores team orders he's just overcoming adversity and he team holding him back and it's put down to grit or some other bullshit. When Massa is held back we call think it's unfair. Seb did what Webber did in the past, and what we all wish Massa could do. I understand why some Webber fans might feel a little screwed, but this is motor racing, not stamp collecting. As Webber fans who preach grit and what not, it should be simple enough to understand.

And what's the chance of Vettel driving for Red Bull next year? Actually I think probably likely, it will take a lot to break that relationship. They both realise they need each other...?

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I've been lurking through the whole thread, and this is the most measured and logical comment on the Webber/Vettel/RBR situation so far. I still reckon Webber got screwed, but it's true that he probably could've done more about it once he realised something was up. How many laps did it take for Vettel to close the gap?