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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:04 am 
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Juihi wrote:
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Why must Tilke ruin every racetrack in the world?!



When Tilke is given free reign this is what he comes up with


You can't blame him for doing what the FIA requires and the client wants



Working with multiple architects will still have some variations. Look at the F1 cars. The teams must also work within the FIA requirements and yet the cars are different on certain points. Just because different people have different approaches to the same limitations.


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That's an awful example. Of all the open regulation series F1 cars vary far less than any other one. Far less than F1 circuits do.

As for Mexico City I'm really not sure what they can do with the final complex. It's got no run off because there are buildings there. So you need to bring the circuit in. There's a limitation on what you can do at that point. It still has to fit the pit complex on the inside, and thats if you assume they're going to remove the massive stadium.


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ellis wrote:
That's an awful example.


Point still stands, it's an example of what he can do, and of course F1 wouldn't race there... I'm not that bloody stupid, I just get sick of people bashing Tilke all the time

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Juihi wrote:
ellis wrote:
That's an awful example.


Point still stands, it's an example of what he can do, and of course F1 wouldn't race there... I'm not that bloody stupid, I just get sick of people bashing Tilke all the time


Noo, we misunderstand each other. I agree with you. I mean Michas example is awful. Saying F1 teams all have to obey the same rules but come out with different results doesn't work. Look at the stepped noses for example. The rules are so tight that they had basically all the same interpretation of the rules.

Tilkes doing what the FIA want unfortuntely.


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but all teams still work within the same rules like dimensions, min-max wheelbase etc etc. Just like the tracks it's not "it has to look exactly like this" but "it must fit in these rules".


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I think Tilke's tracks are actually quite good. It's then the supplementary regulations.

Take Istanbul Park and plonk it in the Ardennes and we'd be elated.

The only thing that is tedious is that every new circuit seems to have to obtain a massively long straight.

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micha wrote:
but all teams still work within the same rules like dimensions, min-max wheelbase etc etc. Just like the tracks it's not "it has to look exactly like this" but "it must fit in these rules".


Right. But all the cars look extremely similar. Like the tracks. They aren't identical, but they are certainly similar.

When the FIAs guidelines have insane stuff like "straight a minimum length of x, followed by corner with radius of y" (which is why you see a bunch of long straights with tight corners after them EVERY time) what's he meant to do?

Mexico City is particularly difficult one with the final corner. I think the flow of the rest of the corners is currently good and might get lost, but that final corner is going to be extremely hard to come up with something not terrible.

Tilkes tracks would be much better if they simply weren't tarmac everywhere. We all tend to like Sepang, even if it's a bit wide. But what's he to do about that.


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Abu Dhabi could have been one of the best, they had all the money and didn't exactly produce a track worthy of anything.


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Would it be possible to reverse Mexico City or is that not a viable option?

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phil1993 wrote:
Would it be possible to reverse Mexico City or is that not a viable option?


Judging by the available run off, no. It's very limited as it really is in the city.

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Final turn doesn't have much scope for any run off change but looks like there is so good land around the rest of the track if they want to make any more changes

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Doesn't matter. All the re-designing of the corners make no sense and are useless.


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F1today reports that Raikonen might get backsurgery so he can be fit when returning to Ferrari in 2014. Which might mean he wont race for Lotus anymore.


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Scotty wrote:
60% of the time, racing circuits are bad all the time


Yes and no
They are bad cuz there aint no more gravel/grass


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micha wrote:
F1today reports that Raikonen might get backsurgery so he can be fit when returning to Ferrari in 2014. Which might mean he wont race for Lotus anymore.


has already been denied by Mark Arnall, his physio.

apparently the injury dates back to his Sauber days when he crashed during testing in Magny-Cours.

it can be massaged away.


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Tobias wrote:
micha wrote:
F1today reports that Raikonen might get backsurgery so he can be fit when returning to Ferrari in 2014. Which might mean he wont race for Lotus anymore.


has already been denied by Mark Arnall, his physio.

apparently the injury dates back to his Sauber days when he crashed during testing in Magny-Cours.

it can be massaged away.



Yup, I don't think Kimi's going to be sidelined for any other reason than Lopez being a big douche.

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why not use slim shitload of money to build a new track?

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LucasWheldon wrote:
why not use slim shitload of money to build a new track?


Yes and he could call it the "Slim-Fast Circuit"

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