2012 Belgian Formula One Grand Prix - SPA **Spoilers**

Tobias · PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:49 am

not that I want to extract old cows from the ditch, but I was watching the review of the 2010 Belgian GP yesterday. The incident of Vettel crashing into Button was, I seem to recall, completely deemed to be Vettel's fault. But I thought there was some last-gasp movement of Jenson forcing Vettel to steer away and lose it over a damp patch. Maybe not really Vettel's fault afteral?

Slam · PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:05 pm

Tobias wrote:

not that I want to extract old cows from the ditch, but I was watching the review of the 2010 Belgian GP yesterday. The incident of Vettel crashing into Button was, I seem to recall, completely deemed to be Vettel's fault. But I thought there was some last-gasp movement of Jenson forcing Vettel to steer away and lose it over a damp patch. Maybe not really Vettel's fault afteral?

On August 29 2010, I said:

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I haven't seen the incident since the race, so I might be wrong here, but at the time I certainly felt some sympathy for Vettel. He got such a run on Button, and clearly wanted to go up the inside. Button I thought made a move towards the inside quite late, just before they hit the brakes, so Vettel had to suddenly jink the outside to avoid a big accident, and lost control. That's how I saw it anyway.

But actually when you look back at the replay from Button's rear facing camera, he didn't deviate from his line, he stayed tight against the inside white line. Vettel probably hoped a gap up the inside was going to materialise, but it didn't. And by the time he realised, he had to jink quite suddenly because they were on the brakes.

Tobias · PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:28 pm

maybe one gets the illusion Button turns back because the track curves gently to the right and he went straight.

Rubmifer · PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:30 pm

Seriously, are we really gonna start talking about an accident that happened 2 years ago?

Jonny · PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:33 pm

You're quite right. Boozing and whoring is much more important than mere Formula One. (At least for some of us.)

Gaara · PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:33 pm

Well this is a discussion forum and it did happen at this track.

Rubmifer · PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:35 pm

Yes, but not this year. I have no problem reviving cool moments, but I don't want to read full detail discussions about stuff that happened in 2010 in the 2012 discussion.

Fabs · PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:40 pm

I don't want to DRAG old cows OUT OF the ditch but Spa 1998, obviously DC's fault.

Schumifan · PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:53 pm

DC managed to take out 13 cars in one day, 15 if you include the fact he took himself out twice. Must be a record.

NVirkkula · PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:57 pm

Fabs wrote:

I don't want to DRAG old cows OUT OF the ditch but Spa 1998, obviously DC's fault.

Back in the day McLaren and DC said that he got a push from behind. They weren't sure by whom, because of spray blocked the view, but they were quite sure it was Irvine who hit DC's rear right corner, causing him to spin in to the wall.

StanV · PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:00 pm

Schumifan wrote:

DC managed to take out 13 cars in one day, 15 if you include the fact he took himself out twice. Must be a record.

Maldonado has been notified.

Gaara · PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:03 pm

StanV wrote:

Schumifan wrote:

DC managed to take out 13 cars in one day, 15 if you include the fact he took himself out twice. Must be a record.

Maldonado has been notified.

Quick, build shelters!

Tobias · PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:10 pm

NVirkkula wrote:

Fabs wrote:

I don't want to DRAG old cows OUT OF the ditch but Spa 1998, obviously DC's fault.

Back in the day McLaren and DC said that he got a push from behind. They weren't sure by whom, because of spray blocked the view, but they were quite sure it was Irvine who hit DC's rear right corner, causing him to spin in to the wall.

I thought he lost it over the rain drainage?

Stoegi · PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:16 pm

NVirkkula wrote:

Fabs wrote:

I don't want to DRAG old cows OUT OF the ditch but Spa 1998, obviously DC's fault.

Back in the day McLaren and DC said that he got a push from behind. They weren't sure by whom, because of spray blocked the view, but they were quite sure it was Irvine who hit DC's rear right corner, causing him to spin in to the wall.

Nope, there's digital F1 footage of the start where you can clearly see that he simply lost it on his own.

Fabs · PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:19 pm

I was talking about DC taking out Michael :lol:

Tobias · PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:47 pm

lol. I read DCs autobiography just recently and everything in there seems to be honest and from the heart... He truly suggests he went off the throttle to let Michael pass, so I give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. He also says that, in hindsight, it might have been better if he pulled off the racing line to let the German by.

kals · PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:56 pm

FACT - DC slowed up too much to allow Schumi through, Schumi was blinded in the spray couldn't anticipate DC's actions
FACT - Button held the inside line and Vettel tried a move too late in the braking zone thus loosing control

Omega · PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:14 pm

kals wrote:

FACT - DC slowed up too much to allow Schumi through, Schumi was blinded in the spray couldn't anticipate DC's actions
FACT - Button held the inside line and Vettel tried a move too late in the braking zone thus loosing control

nope, not facts. Opinions.

kals · PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:24 pm

Nope, not opinions. Facts.

An opinion would be... DC did it on purpose. Whereas the fact is what I wrote above, which is what actually happened.

Slam · PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:35 pm

Is that a fact?

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