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 Post subject: Re: Pocono/Iowa
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:50 pm 
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When you see a storm coming, you shouldn't need to be told to take shelter, you are an adult, take responsibility for you own actions.

Why you guys think it's the tracks responsibility is beyond me, fuck me have you never heard of common sense?


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 Post subject: Re: Pocono/Iowa
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Andre wrote:
Just got back to my aunt's in Bristol, CT... noticed Woodski's location. haha

Anyway, the back of the Pocono ticket reads...

"The holder of this ticket expressly assumes all risk incident to the event, whether occurring prior to, during, or subsequent to the actual conduct of the event, and agrees that all event participants, sanctioning bodies and all employees, agents, officers and directors of Pocono Raceway, its affiliates and subsidiaries are hereby released from any all claims arising from the event."

They pretty much covered all their legal bases with that one, I think.

Bristol sucks, I'm sorry lmao.


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 Post subject: Re: Pocono/Iowa
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Ian-S wrote:
When you see a storm coming, you shouldn't need to be told to take shelter, you are an adult, take responsibility for you own actions.

Why you guys think it's the tracks responsibility is beyond me, fuck me have you never heard of common sense?


Agreed. I'm pretty sure the track PA should have announced the severe weather approaching, even with warnings and such in place before the storms arrived later. After that, you make the decision on what to do on your own. Its a rather unfortunate accident, and impossible to tell whether the people struck where doing the proper thing or not without knowing all the details.

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 Post subject: Re: Pocono/Iowa
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 Post subject: Re: Pocono/Iowa
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Woodski wrote:
Andre wrote:
Just got back to my aunt's in Bristol, CT... noticed Woodski's location. haha

Anyway, the back of the Pocono ticket reads...

"The holder of this ticket expressly assumes all risk incident to the event, whether occurring prior to, during, or subsequent to the actual conduct of the event, and agrees that all event participants, sanctioning bodies and all employees, agents, officers and directors of Pocono Raceway, its affiliates and subsidiaries are hereby released from any all claims arising from the event."

They pretty much covered all their legal bases with that one, I think.

Bristol sucks, I'm sorry lmao.


Screw that, America sucks. Can't wait to get home. :wave:

*waits for the shitstorm...*


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 Post subject: Re: Pocono/Iowa
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OldAsphalt wrote:
Ian-S wrote:
When you see a storm coming, you shouldn't need to be told to take shelter, you are an adult, take responsibility for you own actions.

Why you guys think it's the tracks responsibility is beyond me, fuck me have you never heard of common sense?


Agreed. I'm pretty sure the track PA should have announced the severe weather approaching, even with warnings and such in place before the storms arrived later. After that, you make the decision on what to do on your own. Its a rather unfortunate accident, and impossible to tell whether the people struck where doing the proper thing or not without knowing all the details.


But... it WAS announced on the PA. I still saw a dude out in the middle of the insanity having a smoke, holding a big umbrella. Some teams of people even thought taking the awnings from food vendors, and carrying them around like umbrellas was a great idea.

There are some things you just don't do, and that's rush to your car in the middle of a storm like yesterday's.


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 Post subject: Re: Pocono/Iowa
PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:20 am 
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Andre wrote:
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Andre wrote:
Just got back to my aunt's in Bristol, CT... noticed Woodski's location. haha

Anyway, the back of the Pocono ticket reads...

"The holder of this ticket expressly assumes all risk incident to the event, whether occurring prior to, during, or subsequent to the actual conduct of the event, and agrees that all event participants, sanctioning bodies and all employees, agents, officers and directors of Pocono Raceway, its affiliates and subsidiaries are hereby released from any all claims arising from the event."

They pretty much covered all their legal bases with that one, I think.

Bristol sucks, I'm sorry lmao.


Screw that, America sucks. Can't wait to get home. :wave:

*waits for the shitstorm...*


At least our women's soccer team has a chance forte gold.

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 Post subject: Re: Pocono/Iowa
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So has Bodine apologized for being a dickhead yet?

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 Post subject: Re: Pocono/Iowa
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Yes. It's quoted on page 12 of this thread. Try not to exhaust yourself reading back that far though.


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 Post subject: Re: Pocono/Iowa
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What evidence is there that the speedway were negligent about the whole thing? The grandstands seemed to empty pretty quickly from what I saw on TV. Andre, who was there, says they did a reasonable job, and it's been suggested that those struck were in the parking lot rather than taking shelter. + It's still such a minute chance.

Not sure why there's such a rush to blame someone. Accidents happen, and all I can do is feel for those involved.


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 Post subject: Re: Pocono/Iowa
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To Tommy above - nahh, it's not hockey, so we're not too heartbroken about it as a nation. From what I can tell, it's the typical "OMG YOU GUYS MADE A GAME OUT OF IT! INCREDIBLE! CONGRATS!" We're funny like that.

Also, here's my view of the storm. I was pretty excited that Gordon had probably won, but please note that that was before the lightning hit. There wasn't anywhere to stand where I didn't get wet, so I finally decided that my pocket was the best place for my iPod.



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 Post subject: Re: Pocono/Iowa
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Everyone who is saying that they don't understand the liability, or that's it's fans common sense to take care of themselves, or the track is not to blame, etc. either hasn't been to the States, or does not understand how our asinine justice system works. This is the country where a woman sued McDonald's (and won) for their coffee being too hot. Do you really think someone won't sue Pocono over this?

Every ticket, at every track that I've ever been to, be it the big leagues to the bush leagues, says that the track and sactioning body are not responsible for injury, death, damage, martians, and/or anything else you can think. A good lawyer though can get around all that. Happends all the time.

I don't agree with it in the least, but you have to understand that this country can be and often is, fucking retarded when things like this happen. The general American slob is so sue happy it's shameful.


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 Post subject: Re: Pocono/Iowa
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ptclaus98 wrote:
So has Bodine apologized for being a dickhead yet?


Well, the person who runs his Twitter account has, whoever that is...

Based on his actions on Sat Night, I have a hard time believing that it was Todd himself.


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 Post subject: Re: Pocono/Iowa
PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:29 pm 
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Everyone who is saying that they don't understand the liability, or that's it's fans common sense to take care of themselves, or the track is not to blame, etc. either hasn't been to the States, or does not understand how our asinine justice system works. This is the country where a woman sued McDonald's (and won) for their coffee being too hot. Do you really think someone won't sue Pocono over this?

Every ticket, at every track that I've ever been to, be it the big leagues to the bush leagues, says that the track and sactioning body are not responsible for injury, death, damage, martians, and/or anything else you can think. A good lawyer though can get around all that. Happends all the time.

I don't agree with it in the least, but you have to understand that this country can be and often is, fucking retarded when things like this happen. The general American slob is so sue happy it's shameful.


You're totally right... ever since I've been down here, television ads have been nothing but political (for obvious reasons, however), medical ("Our service is better than everyone else's service, and cheaper!") or legal ("Have you been a victim of blankety blank-blank? If so, you're entitled to a shitload of $$$!").

I like it here, but I think it's time for me to go the frig home. There's none of that, there. :thumbsup:


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 Post subject: Re: Pocono/Iowa
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Didn't the families try suing over Michigan '98?


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 Post subject: Re: Pocono/Iowa
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ptclaus98 wrote:
So has Bodine apologized for being a dickhead yet?


Well, the person who runs his Twitter account has, whoever that is...

Based on his actions on Sat Night, I have a hard time believing that it was Todd himself.

Well, he called himself an ass in that tweet, so it had to be him or his wife. ;)


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Gaara wrote:
Didn't the families try suing over Michigan '98?


I was just thinking about that time at Indianapolis when Guerrero's front wing flew into the crowd and killed a man. His wife sued both drivers involved, their teams, mechanics, owners, etc and the track itself. Cannot remember the outcome.


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 Post subject: Re: Pocono/Iowa
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Didn't the families try suing over Michigan '98?


I was just thinking about that time at Indianapolis when Guerrero's front wing flew into the crowd and killed a man. His wife sued both drivers involved, their teams, mechanics, owners, etc and the track itself. Cannot remember the outcome.


I think it was settled out of court, and it wasn't Guerrero's wing, Guerrero hit a tire and the tire hit a guy standing on the back row of the grandstands between turns 3 and 4.

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Andre wrote:
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Ian-S wrote:
When you see a storm coming, you shouldn't need to be told to take shelter, you are an adult, take responsibility for you own actions.

Why you guys think it's the tracks responsibility is beyond me, fuck me have you never heard of common sense?


Agreed. I'm pretty sure the track PA should have announced the severe weather approaching, even with warnings and such in place before the storms arrived later. After that, you make the decision on what to do on your own. Its a rather unfortunate accident, and impossible to tell whether the people struck where doing the proper thing or not without knowing all the details.


Some teams of people even thought taking the awnings from food vendors, and carrying them around like umbrellas was a great idea.


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