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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:37 pm 
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Ian-S wrote:
"lucky" is an extremely ambiguous word.

She was unlucky she hit the ramp, that's a no brainer.

But she was extremely lucky it was at the height it was, if you don't understand why I'm saying this then I'm not going to explain it to you in detail, use your imagination.

Never having the ramp down in the first place would have been better, hindsight is a wonderful thing.



I understand what you are talking about, about the height of the ramp. But we still don't know if she will survive or not. That's why I consider we can't talk about luck as she could have been killed, decapitation or not. But sure, we all understand your point of view.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:41 pm 
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She's conscious and talking, I think she'll survive.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:49 pm 
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The world of F1 breathes a sigh of relief.


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I'm still a bit wary of where the ramp was, you'd have to hope it didn't hit her eyes.


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They've said her injuries are no longer life-threatening.


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RtN wrote:
She's conscious and talking, I think she'll survive.


When Garaa talks about her luck, we didn't have any official information about her talking to anybody.


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It seems injuries are not life-threatening anymore, but let's hope whatever injuries she has do not impede her in her normal life afterwards.

Some people in Twitter have made comments about her status as an inexperienced woman driver... I think all that is bullshit. Her mistake or not, everyone makes mistakes and we never know because it happens on a racetrack with no lorries in sight...


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Jordi wrote:
It seems injuries are not life-threatening anymore, but let's hope whatever injuries she has do not impede her in her normal life afterwards.

Some people in Twitter have made comments about her status as an inexperienced woman driver... I think all that is bullshit. Her mistake or not, everyone makes mistakes and we never know because it happens on a racetrack with no lorries in sight...



Good news that she is out of danger. Everyone makes mistakes, but we saw her do some very crazy stuff in the past, this incident for instance. It has nothing to do with her being a woman, just her being an average driver, with no business being in such powerfull cars. Stick to clio cup or something else.


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I don't think it's the time or the place to make comments about experience or suitability for that type of car. Everyone makes mistakes. Everyone does something dumb, in junior formulae and in top level racing. No-one truly knows what has happened yet so to draw conclusions, speculate or even criticize anything about the driver is just plain stupid and inappropriate.

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Well, if it was down to Monaco officials Maldonado would've never driven again there... I'm not comparing de Villota to Pastor, just saying that mistakes made in the past aren't necessarily the cause of errors today.


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Oh I know and I agree with you Jordi, my comments were in response to Cookie's post and use of that SF video.

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Until we know the state of the injuries and an official account of the cause of the accident, it's futile to make assumptions based on nothing but guesses and prejudices.

We know Maria's record is hardly awe-inspiring, but to automatically assign blame on her shoulders, without telemetry or video evidence, is pointless at this stage.

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Well, if it was down to Monaco officials Maldonado would've never driven again there... I'm not comparing de Villota to Pastor, just saying that mistakes made in the past aren't necessarily the cause of errors today.


But there's a difference between driving like an idiot and not having the ability to control a car. She was dangerously slow and reckless in Superleague Formula, and she wouldn't even be allowed near an F1 car if she didn't have money.

F1 needs to stop this trend of inexperienced and rich drivers buying reserve slots so they can run up and down runways. It doesn't help the sport, and it's just been proven that it's an added pointless danger.

I hope she'll be ok, but I think it's time the FIA had a look at drivers who won't even possibly qualify for a super license being allowed to drive dangerous machines.


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ellis wrote:
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Well, if it was down to Monaco officials Maldonado would've never driven again there... I'm not comparing de Villota to Pastor, just saying that mistakes made in the past aren't necessarily the cause of errors today.


But there's a difference between driving like an idiot and not having the ability to control a car. She was dangerously slow and reckless in Superleague Formula, and she wouldn't even be allowed near an F1 car if she didn't have money.

F1 needs to stop this trend of inexperienced and rich drivers buying reserve slots so they can run up and down runways. It doesn't help the sport, and it's just been proven that it's an added pointless danger.


Yes, but we can't say it was completely her fault yet. Marussia was testing a major upgrade. Something might have gone catastrophically wrong. We just don't know.

I've always wondered how safe a place like Duxford is for F1 testing but why on earth was a truck located there like that?

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The danger is not her, the danger is having a truck where a car can hit it. If a top-line driver had had a mechanical failure, we'd be blaming whoever allowed a car near a truck.

Loads of drivers without the talent to race in F1 have driven and raced cars, and I don't think it's going to end any time soon. As long as the sport costs money, there'll alway be someone with money over someone with talent.


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phil1993 wrote:
I've always wondered how safe a place like Duxford is for F1 testing but why on earth was a truck located there like that?


I'm not seeing the problem with the truck. It's the same standard procedure at every straight line test. It isn't like it was parked on the runway where she was testing, it's off in what would be considered a pit lane. If the truck position is considered dangerous then look at your standard F1 pit lane then consider all the things there are to hit in that - medical car, safety car, other course vehicles, countless pit garages (with some rather dangerous things such as fuel rigs near the front), pit wall and pit boxes etc.

I don't buy the "If you have a mechanical failure" line either. If you applied that to everything they we should ban pit lanes entirely. Imagine if you get a stuck throttle, or locked axel in the pit lane - you'd create hell. Should we ban those too?


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I remember being scared seeing the truck at Melbourne earlier this year. The chances of a thing like this happening are always so small.

Now that it has happened we can only hope it will never happen again :thumbsup:


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I'm just worried that she has some sort of facial injury. Very few details apart from the fact she is conscious.

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ellis wrote:
phil1993 wrote:
I've always wondered how safe a place like Duxford is for F1 testing but why on earth was a truck located there like that?


I'm not seeing the problem with the truck. It's the same standard procedure at every straight line test. It isn't like it was parked on the runway where she was testing, it's off in what would be considered a pit lane. If the truck position is considered dangerous then look at your standard F1 pit lane then consider all the things there are to hit in that - medical car, safety car, other course vehicles, countless pit garages (with some rather dangerous things such as fuel rigs near the front), pit wall and pit boxes etc.

I don't buy the "If you have a mechanical failure" line either. If you applied that to everything they we should ban pit lanes entirely. Imagine if you get a stuck throttle, or locked axel in the pit lane - you'd create hell. Should we ban those too?



Honestly, I think its a typical F1/FIA/European knee-jerk reaction we're seeing now.

If a crash like Wheldon's happened in F1 we'd probably see the cars detuned to 50bhp to prevent it.


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Yeah I'm already waiting for the closed cockpit discussion to start...


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