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Considering it's been proven time and time again that the old Eastern Creek couldn't hold a good V8 race if lives depended on it, it's still pretty stupid they're not using the new circuit.

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to members that have been to v8 races, are paddock passes expensive?

When I went to Symmons Plains last year, I think it was about $30 for the 2 days.

Was $75NZ (Around $100US) for all 3 days in general admission at the Hamilton 400, I think it was another $20 on top of the $75NZ to get into the pits

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that's not bad at all.

just trying to figure what prices may be like for austin next year...

It depends on the promoter of the event, prices are not standard across V8Supercar events.

For instance its cheaper to get into the pits at Eastern Creek or Winton than it is at Adelaide or Homebush.

This bit?

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So then why state that they "pissed several million down the drain"??

Please explain how the owners of the circuit (NSW Government) have, in your words, "pissed several million down the drain"??

You really need to look at the bigger picture

The extension was NOT built for the use of extending the full circuit (though if a series wanted to use it they could)

It was built to extend the layout of the new second circuit that can run in conjunction with the new 'national circuit' at the front, allowing both circuits to be used at the same time.

Two tracks being used at once means double the income for the ARDC (which therefore makes it not pointless)

Jonathon Webb gave the new bit his tick of approval at the launch, as did Kevin Magee.

I'm glad you have seen the books to judge whether this venture is pointless or not.....

A complete pit building and pit area is being built in the turn 4/5/6 area. It would be possible for two full-on race meetings to be able to be conducted at the same time.

There is only 1 permanent racing circuit in the Sydney area these days, 15 years ago there was three. Eastern Creek was booked out solid BEFORE Oran Park departed, you think all Oran Park's business could have been absorbed into EC without doing something like this? You do realise Eastern Creek is currently booked for drive days and the like (non-race meetings) for over 300 days a year as is, with business potentially able to be doubled now with two tracks in use.... how many drive days did you say again to make the money back??

Have you driven on the new part of track? Have you even seen it with your own eyes? It is easy to be a keyboard cowboy and talk it down all you like, but you shouldn't judge something until you actually SEE some racing on it.

Or is this just a vendetta against the Creek?

Do you know the figure that the ARDC charges for circuit use?



You need to re-read my post.

The new circuit out the back is NOT only for drive days, it will be able to be used as a RACING circuit for, you know, car races (and bikes, who the new layout seems especially suited too, Kevin Magee gave it big wraps in Speed News Australia last week.... and he has actually BEEN ON the track)



Bagging a circuit before you've seen a car go around it is most definatly not "being a fan of motor racing"

And what do safety cars have to do with this argument?



The one's who went home are the only one's missing out. (plenty of cars could get out of third gear on the old Winton layout, even V8Supercars when they used it)

The majority of drive days & training days (Fastrack V8 Experience, Superbike School, Radical Experience) as is for the last 20 years at Eastern Creek have only ever used the original short circuit!



It sounds like you won't be happy with any design unless its your own.... maybe you should become a circuit designer. Did you send the ARDC any of your ideas over the last few years seeing as you have stated you could have done a much better job?



And after all that, you admit you might have a vendetta against it.....

You seem to have formed an opinion and nothing will change it.... feel free to go on swearing & acting like Eastern Creek has stolen your wallet or something though...

Maybe actually READ some information on the place, and on the changes that have been made, before commenting next time. How do you know the pit building out the back won't be used?

The A1 races there when it rained and Wickens came through the field for a podium were pretty immense

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Some of the points I'm going to make apply to the UK, dunno how they apply in Australia, but this is an interesting argument...





The use of the word "THEN" suggests you're referring to V8 Supercars's decison not to run the extended track.



In the UK track days are big business - most tracks have them them booked throughout the year. There's some airfields which run trackdays alone and no racing, so it must be a viable business. As far as I know, most people are on their own during trackdays - they sign disclaimers so any injuries or damage to vehicles are their own problem. The legal situation could be different in Australia.


Shall we see how it races - some amazing layouts have resulted in rubbish races, others have been the opposite, tho if V8Supercars aren't using it we'll probably not find out.



For trackdays, if that is their target market, that may well not matter. Silverstone here is often criticised on other forums for being dull - outside of a high powered single seater/sports car it has no challenge - even above average cars will spend the lap on full throttle with no problems. My own car is much more interesting in 3rd gear - in 4th/5th gear (90+mph) there's little power and the handling isn't at its best, on a run down a B-road or on a track day I wouldn't want to be out of 3rd gear for much of it. If I wanted to run my car flat out, I'd risk my licence on a motorway or go to a VMax event on an airfield



The majority on this forum don't care, sorry. At best they'll be interested if there's some good racing or crashes. I don't think you can use Spamgasm as a good source to back up your arguements.

All the above bullshit aside, having seen previous horrible events at Eastern Creek, and knowing the V8s will continue to race the same shitty circuit, I'll be avoiding this one. Those of you saying "give it a chance" to a piece of track they're not even using, go nuts

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To cut a long story short, and basically repeating myself from the last page: Homebush is infinity times better than Eastern Creek.

The discussion was about the new piece of track in general, not V8Supercars using it or not.

the Muscle Car Masters a week after the V8 event is using the new piece of track



Are you basing this from a spectators point of view, or a driving point of view?

From a spectators point of view you can see the whole track, which is hardly a bad thing.

Its not the most innovative when it comes to a track design, but neither is Indianapolis.

Guys.. the arguing stops here.. move on.

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I think you should do what you want.

It's your forum and I paid the bills this year..

and if people don't like it they shouldComplain here

Maybe the discussion you were having with yourself, but the rest of us spent a fair bit of time talking about V8s not running the new portion.

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