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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 1:59 am 
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whats so ridiculous about imola's first turn?


A kink and a concrete wall. It's not that safe.

That's the final turn I thought.

I'll say it again, if they can run Monaco they can run there. I don't care if Monaco is "grandfathered in." The fact they're running there now means they can run anywhere. They obviously feel like the track is safe enough to run on, or else they wouldn't.

That and if they're being pussies about it, there's that shit chicane on the outside of the straightaway.


I think the speeds at Monaco will be much lower than imola, and the fastest section has good run off, which will have a major effect on safety.


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Racing is about danger and excitement. What's more better to see who has the biggest balls in the field and excells above the rest? At this moment I feel F1 isn't as dangerous as football and drivers are starting to be pussies about safety (hello Fernando). The charisma of motorsports is the fact something COULD go wrong.


Yeah cos indycar at las Vegas was some amazing shit


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Yes, I was under the effects of "racing tradition pills" I've taken in the morning.


Well whatever they are, stay off them as it is clearly not good for you nor us who have to read your non-sensical rants you post while under said influence. ;)

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I think the speeds at Monaco will be much lower than imola, and the fastest section has good run off, which will have a major effect on safety.

Monaco has the fastest corner in F1 in the tunnel.


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phil1993 wrote:
Imola isn't coming back because
- The first turn is fucking ridiculous
- Italy's economy is still buggered

France isn't on the calendar because
- Magny Cours and Paul Ricard can't agree
- The Socialist government won't fund it

Korean GP is on because they have a 7 year contract. It is still provisional, but F1 is going. Bernie won't cancel the race because he has a contract. It will only be cancelled if the race promoters decided to pull the can

Regarding Austria, Red Bull always said it would just be for events such as DTM, not F1.

Also, I wonder what fans want. Lots of people seem to go ZOMG Barcelona is shit, ZOMG Valencia sux, Silverstone is crap, Hungaboring. And then go 'WE NEED MORE EUROPEAN RACES!!!!1111'. Yeah, ok.

A lot of European races are struggling because the majority are funded privately and sponsors are hard to come by. A lot of the Asian countries see F1 as a way of promoting the country and governments are willing to throw money at the sport. In 10 or 15 years time, that situation might be a whole lot different and the calendar might become more European again. Who knows.


Great post Phil :) By the way, in your avatar, is that Will Buxton at Monza 2012 just in front of the main grandstand? If so, would you have a higher res version of that pic? I wanna see if I can spot myself in it :p


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Magny Cours was universally hated by everyone except for Ligier/Prost because it's in the middle of fecking no where, and the track was somehow unrealistically smooth, so suspension setup was strange to work on.

I don't mind new races outside of Europe, I just think it's pointless building a track in the middle of a desert which is crap for racing, in a country nobody likes, and has no real attendance. And most of these new tracks are just all the same. Turkey proves that you can do awesome stuff well within the regulations.


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Karan wrote:
Great post Phil :) By the way, in your avatar, is that Will Buxton at Monza 2012 just in front of the main grandstand? If so, would you have a higher res version of that pic? I wanna see if I can spot myself in it :p


Ah no sorry, it's just a TV broadcast.

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I think you need to give a new circuit and new country to F1 time to bed in, as I think the Chinese GP this year was well attended and the fans are starting to understand the sport. But if ten years down the line there's no progress, you have to question what's being done in terms of race promotion and coverage.

Korea's problem is that they decided to build the track in a really peculiar area.

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You can give it time to improve in terms of popularity, but if the racing is shit then it's usually not going to change. China and Bahrain have no place on this calender IMO.

Korea was just stupid. "Let's build a race track...a street track...but lets build it no where...then build the city around it". I can only imagine they were completely stoned when they thought up that shit.


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ellis wrote:
Magny Cours was universally hated by everyone except for Ligier/Prost because it's in the middle of fecking no where, and the track was somehow unrealistically smooth, so suspension setup was strange to work on.

The president wanted it there to bring some money and attention to that area.
It was a real bitch to get there because of the narrow two-lane highway, but they finally extended the freeway until the circuit in... 2011, just about 20 years late. :thumbsup:

As for the suspension setting, it's not a relevant argument. It's their job to set their cars for whichever track they race on, and it brought some novelty from the bumpier tracks.

I still think Bernie would prefer the Paul-Ricard for his millionaire friends, as it's closer to the French Riviera. I'd much rather prefer Magny-Cours' gravel traps instead of that colored mess of a track that makes me want to stab myself in the eyes.


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China? 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012 were all very good Chinese GPs. In fact, only 2004 and 2008 Chinese GP have really sucked.

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coldtyre wrote:
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Magny Cours was universally hated by everyone except for Ligier/Prost because it's in the middle of fecking no where, and the track was somehow unrealistically smooth, so suspension setup was strange to work on.

The president wanted it there to bring some money and attention to that area.
It was a real bitch to get there because of the narrow two-lane highway, but they finally extended the freeway until the circuit in... 2011, just about 20 years late. :thumbsup:

As for the suspension setting, it's not a relevant argument. It's their job to set their cars for whichever track they race on, and it brought some novelty from the bumpier tracks.

I still think Bernie would prefer the Paul-Ricard for his millionaire friends, as it's closer to the French Riviera. I'd much rather prefer Magny-Cours' gravel traps instead of that colored mess of a track that makes me want to stab myself in the eyes.


The freeway was worthless as long as the teams were crammed into crap little bed and breakfasts dotted around the countryside. The teams hated going because it was just awful getting in and out.

Suspension settings was more an issue that Ligier did thousands upon thousands of laps there exclusively, and nobody else got to run there. So they fed the data to Benetton and it was just a silly advantage they had. It'd be the equivalent of going to race at Fiorano. Not as much of an issue now that testing is limited, but it was back in the day.


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phil1993 wrote:
China? 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012 were all very good Chinese GPs. In fact, only 2004 and 2008 Chinese GP have really sucked.


Average at best, with attendance so low they were shipping in people from local factories. Really doesn't deserve a space IMO.


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Just seen a picture on Twitter of some flooding around the Suzuka region.

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Not surprised.

The good news is that the storm is fast-moving, so it'll be gone within a few hours.

Should be fine for the race.

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Well, apparently there was some 200mm of rain, so we're pretty fortunate the GP's next weekend not this one, or Bernd would be wanting a pay rise.

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Woodski wrote:
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I think the speeds at Monaco will be much lower than imola, and the fastest section has good run off, which will have a major effect on safety.

Monaco has the fastest corner in F1 in the tunnel.

:lol:

Maggots, Eau Rouge, Curva Grande, the final corner at Interlagos ring any bells?


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The tunnel is pretty safe anyway, so narrow that they barely slide against the wall in the event of a crash.


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I'm glad Imola isn't on the schedule. I never liked that track.

I would love to see Austria back. Its sad to see so few European races next year.

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amq55 wrote:
Woodski wrote:
gd49 wrote:
I think the speeds at Monaco will be much lower than imola, and the fastest section has good run off, which will have a major effect on safety.

Monaco has the fastest corner in F1 in the tunnel.

:lol:

Maggots, Eau Rouge, Curva Grande, the final corner at Interlagos ring any bells?


None of those corners are in tunnels.


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