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were you born before or after SPA 1991? (MSC F1 Debut)
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He'll be lucky if he even gets off the last row in QLF.


There is no refueling anymore, so he won´t do worse then the last Dutch driver...


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8 weeks until Kimi pits


Will be interesting to see how many pages of "kimi pits :flag: :flag: :flag:" there'll be the first time this happens.


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Mate of mine sent me this picture today. Gives a massive reason why Honda struggled in 2008

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What a sick looking garage, R1, Viper and an F1 car.
http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9325&sid=07c0d7c57ab60788ac290f3cd0fa1a4f


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Speaking of Kimi, he is currently going around the Ricardo Tormo Circuit in the R30

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Kimi pits.

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LOL All the sponsors are gone without Petrov.


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Fermani2 wrote:
Fabs wrote:
He'll be lucky if he even gets off the last row in QLF.


There is no refueling anymore, so he won´t do worse then the last Dutch driver...


You must really suck to achieve such craplevel anyways. :tumble:


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Did HRT say anything about when their second driver will be announced? Which drivers are still in the running for that seat?
Liuzzi probably, VDGarde with his money, Ambrosio too I read and Clos because he's Spanish. Were other drivers mentioned too for that second seat?


Jacky Eeckelaert said a week or so ago that it was d'Ambrosio, Senna & Van der Garde in the running.

It looks very unlikely that Liuzzi will be retained. Giedo looks a dead cert.

However, HRT are looking dodgy regarding simply making it to Oz...


Thanks :), I really hope it will be Giedo, curious how he'll do it in F1 if he gets the seat!


I've always been more curious how Paul Meijer would've done if he had the money Giedo (his father-in-law, that is) has. When I saw them racing each other in the Dutch Formule Renault 2.0 championship back in 2003, it felt that Meijr had / has a lot more potential.

But it'll be nice to see a Dutchman return to F1, so thumbs up if he can take the seat. He'll be a backmarker, don't see him leaving the last row very quickly.


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Video from Sky Sports News about Kimi's test, Also features a brief interview with Kimi:

[dailymotion]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xnxwd8_kimi-raikkonen-r30-test-interview_auto[/dailymotion]



James Allen's also posted some details about the new Ferrari:
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/01/s ... ri-f1-car/


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Bahrain, Spain & pain from Bernie
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97143

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This is maybe the new Ferrari???

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0:46 :thumbsup:

[youtubeidiot]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7dhwTSRWWE[/youtubeidiot]

Hopefully the Kimi hustle is back

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Here's a working picture of what is possibly the 2012 Ferrari. I assume it's the same as the one posted above, but the website and image won't load for me (omnicourse.it)

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I thought the 2009 aero regs prevented teams having those sort of flaps sticking out the side of the monocoque? Quite a few teams had similar sorts of things Pre-2009.


FIA on why they banned the reactive ride system:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97151
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Reactive suspension systems were banned from Formula 1 once it became clear to the FIA that their principle benefit was aerodynamic, AUTOSPORT has learned.

The governing body wrote to teams on Friday informing them that, in its view, the mechanical concepts pioneered by Lotus and Ferrari and being looked at by other teams would be in contravention of the rules if they were used to help the aerodynamics of the cars.

This came despite the initial idea for the hydraulic devices, activated by brake torque, being given the green light as long ago as January last year.

At the time of that initial approval to the then Renault team, it was understood that the devices were purely suspension related and aimed at maintaining ride-height - so effectively nothing more than a sophisticated version of rising-rate springs.

However, with rival teams having expressed an interest in the design, and querying its legality after it was spotted at last year's young driver test in Abu Dhabi, the FIA decided to look much closer at the reactive ride concept.

It is understood that as more details emerged about the Renault and Ferrari systems, both in terms of how they worked and what their benefit was, it became clear that the main advantage of the suspension systems was in helping aerodynamic performance.

The FIA believed that because the systems relied on changes being made to the length of the suspension member as well as unusual movement of the brake calipers - and these alterations helped the aerodynamics of the car – that they were in breach of Article 3.15 of F1's Technical Regulations, which effectively bans moveable aerodynamic devices.

The article states that any part that influences aerodynamic performance "must be rigidly secured to the entirely sprung part of the car (rigidly secured means not having any degree of freedom)" and "must remain immobile in relation to the sprung part of the car."

As well as the potential breach of the aerodynamic rules, it is understood that there was a risk of the reactive ride systems getting challenged under the articles relating to suspension in the F1 regulations too.

Article 10.2.1 states: "With the steering wheel fixed, the position of each wheel centre and the orientation of its rotation axis must be completely and uniquely defined by a function of its principally vertical suspension travel, save only for the effects of reasonable compliance which does not intentionally provide further degrees of freedom."

Article 10.2.3 says: "No adjustment may be made to the suspension system while the car is in motion."

The decision to make a ruling on the reactive suspension systems now removes the threat of the matter building up into a major technical controversy before the start of the season, which could have overshadowed the first race like the double diffuser row did in 2009.

Although the FIA directive states that the governing body views the devices to be illegal, there is nothing stopping teams from continuing to test them and fitting them to the cars for the season-opening Australian Grand Prix – because the final decision on whether they comply with the regulations always rests with the race stewards. But such a scenario is thought to be highly unlikely.


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Interesting watch


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vDoorn wrote:

I've always been more curious how Paul Meijer would've done if he had the money Giedo (his father-in-law, that is) has. When I saw them racing each other in the Dutch Formule Renault 2.0 championship back in 2003, it felt that Meijr had / has a lot more potential.

But it'll be nice to see a Dutchman return to F1, so thumbs up if he can take the seat. He'll be a backmarker, don't see him leaving the last row very quickly.



I'd put my money on Nyck de Vries to keep the Dutch name up. As long as McLaren keeps supporting him.....

Max Verstappen seems very talented as well but I fear his dad's bad reputation of late might hinder his career.


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They both had great results when racing in karts, we'll have to wait and see how they perform a step higher, in formula cars.

But i'd say De Vries as well.


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We're still limited by the sponsors anyways.

Everyone here loves racing.....until they need big money. When Spyker bought crapland F1 everyone was on cloud 9. But then all the big companies ignored them. And to add insult to injury some started spending big bucks on other teams (ING, Philips, Randstad).


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Seriously think Robin Frijns might be the next shot for Holland to get into F1. He was mighty impressive in FBMW and Formula Renault the last 2 years.

He rejected being accepted in the Red Bull Juniors Program this year because they wanted to put him in a Arden FR 3.5. And he didn't wanted to start with a team with no experience.


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