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The team owners are working under the assumption that they hold the power, and that if they banded together and left, the Indycar series would not be able to find other teams to fill the grid. In the current economic climate, I think they're probably right.

You know, we all blame TG for destroying open wheel racing, but based on the infighting and bickering going on now, coupled with the completely self serving nature of the teams with their inability, or desire not to, see down the road to what they might be able to achieve, I think the split would've happened anyway. Different players at a different time perhaps, but open wheel would've torn itself apart regardless.

Didn't work out for who? The teams? That's the point. They are incapable of running a stable racing series. The difference is that if they want to come back afterwards, they can do so but only on IndyCar's terms, rather than with open arms as TG did.

If you mean AOWR in general, well, that's a price that will have to be paid at some point or another. If the teams are hellbent on taking control of IndyCar, and they do so, then we all know that the series has 5 years left at the maximum.

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Yeah, I know he's mad and I don't care. I do not care. I did not care then. I do not care now. I'm here to race him.

Well last time teams owned the series we had CART and until FTG moronic decission it worked very well.

There were cracks appearing within CART even before the split:
http://articles.latimes.com/1990-01-08/ ... er-meeting

CART's biggest problem was ultimately mis-management, The split hurt it but the way it was run put it out of buisiness a lot sooner than it would have had it been run right.

Although I love the fact everyone has gone on a huge tangent just because I posted something (probably because it follows the script of American Open Wheel so well...) I still feel compelled to give some proof to back up my claims:

[youtubeidiot]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGeymReJsbU[/youtubeidiot]

Head up their butt lol

If even Paul Tracy can see its a bad idea, well I don't know anyone who would think it great except those 6 team bosses themselves.

For the record my nostalgia for CART and Champcar is solely for the on-track product, I know it was a freakshow behind the scenes.
They ended up being the dicks who had a golden goose and screwed it so hard it died.

Hmm, not sure that metaphor stands up but you know what I mean.

And now we have what we have now, good job guys.

Yeah, that sums it up pretty much.

I fail to understand why the team owners would still think that a series without the 500 would be anything other than a disaster.

Because they are all fucking retarded.

Yeah, pretty much

It wouldn't be a series without the 500 necessarily, the car owners are looking to buy the Indycar series, which would mean that if IMS didn't want the Indycars to be at Indy, it would be up to IMS to kick them out, or, cancel all the contracts and start their own series... Wait, where have I seen this movie before...

Besides, they can put all the proposals they want together, is the series even for sale?

This part is clear and easy. If the car owners don't get their own way, and instead opt to pullout and start another series, then that's it for open wheel. No fan is going to forgive them again and come back.

Wasn't Tony George son in law moaning the whole time about how shitty the new car is, maybe he is planning a return.

Yeaa Ed did have a moan that Texas was 'boring'.

Speaking of Texas, the Dallas Morning News is reporting that Texas is back for 2013.

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Yeah, he was "sorry for the fans who had to see that kind of a race" while most of open-wheel racing fans really liked it for not being the "good ol' double file russian rulet in +220mph" that Ed apparently thinks is exciting.

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And guess what, Dyson Racing (made of some former Lola employees) has sent a new car project for Indy Lights, scheduled to be adopted in 2014. Basically it's the same project Lola tried to introduce on IndyCar, with some modifications.


http://www.grandepremio.com.br/indy/not ... 4-diz-site

If they are successful at it, Indy Lights becomes suddenly more attractive than IndyCar due to its old school principles on car design. I'm sure it will make fans watch Indy Lights carefully from now on.

fucking shark fin

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No and no. People don't watch racing because of how the cars look.

Great racing (plus top class drivers) makes fans watch racing series more carefully.

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Besides, Indy Lights as it is is pretty much fucked. Not a lot of cars and less-than-stellar racing.

I swear, the cars are too slow.

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Too much downforce, Too Little power!


Whoever ends up getting the Indy Lights deal should go back & look at what made the 2005-2007 GP2 car so good, A Pretty much perfect power-to-grip ratio.
Just enough downforce to produce good grip but not enough that it prevented close racing/overtaking & more than enough power to get the drivers to really have to drive the cars.

This car looks so good I already know it won't be chosen. They'll want to shove a needless airbox on it instead of the clean roll hoop look.

Would be perfect without that fin....

Well, I can only talk for myself, and myself being 8 years old at that, but I certainly did.

Then when I finally got Satellite TV in 2000, I was attracted to Champcar by how the cars looked too, thought they were brilliant, and the Malboro liveried car especially.

Of course the great racing kept me watching but my initial attraction was to the cars looks.