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Who is the better driver?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:38 pm 
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They can only race the 2 milers if they aren't pack racing. These cars have too much downforce, too much drag and not enough power. If that happens with the 2012 car, then they'll just be pack racing everywhere above 1 mile again.


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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/95685

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Gabriel wrote:
Always I have thought that restrictor plates were used only on carburetors, but I've heard now that they'll be used in NASCAR next year with the new EFI systems and could be a possibility for IndyCar. So, it's just something to limit the air intake into the engine, whatever the type of it?


It could be used in Indycar, but not in the same way. The fuel injection system being used in NASCAR is not the usual fuel injection you'd see in a modern car. It's a fuel injection system designed to be used on a car that had run with a carb.

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^^ Like that one.

Besides, running the Indycar detuned for the 1.5 milers would be just as suicidal as it is now. I agree with everyone else... Far less downforce, far more horsepower and tell Firestone to make a tire as hard as a rock. That'll make the drivers have to drive and break the packs up.

Now... If Indycar had only four ovals then Indy, Michigan, Fontana and Pocono would be my picks. Randy can use the $5,000,000 bonus for the Indycar Speedway Challenge. $5,000,000 to any driver who can win 3 of the 4 ovals... Oh, and make them all 500 milers. But, that's just me.


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It's a good thing, anybody can't forget the man who was DW.

Like Ferrari in 2003 with Gianni Agnelli, Dalara makes a brilliant act. ;)

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All these articles do is increase my disgust over the quality of journalism covering this issue. All of the issues they keep harping on about and accusing Bernard of - 34 cars in the race, the cash bonus for Wheldon, the potential inexperience of drivers who may have (but did not) run the race - had nothing to do with what caused the crash or killed Dan. What needs to be fixed is the safety of the car, the track and the pack racing rules package.

It's just incredibly ignorant that 80% of article space is focussed on this "million dollar death race for out of work driver" shit, when the real issues are much more mundane and common to any racing series. The one thing that should be laid at the series organisers' feet is the pack racing rules package at big tracks.

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westracing01 wrote:
Now... If Indycar had only four ovals then Indy, Michigan, Fontana and Pocono would be my picks. Randy can use the $5,000,000 bonus for the Indycar Speedway Challenge. $5,000,000 to any driver who can win 3 of the 4 ovals... Oh, and make them all 500 milers. But, that's just me.


This idea just screams Winston Million.

Bad thing? Far from, actually.

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Poconos being repaved atm so they could get an IndyCar race. The potential spectator turnout is a different story.


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Tommy Vercetti wrote:
westracing01 wrote:
Now... If Indycar had only four ovals then Indy, Michigan, Fontana and Pocono would be my picks. Randy can use the $5,000,000 bonus for the Indycar Speedway Challenge. $5,000,000 to any driver who can win 3 of the 4 ovals... Oh, and make them all 500 milers. But, that's just me.


This idea just screams Winston Million.

Bad thing? Far from, actually.




Call it a Wheldon Trophy and it's perfect. I would love to have a challenge that's similar to the triple crown. Pocono should definitely be a part of this challenge and Indycar calendar.

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Tommy Vercetti wrote:
westracing01 wrote:
Now... If Indycar had only four ovals then Indy, Michigan, Fontana and Pocono would be my picks. Randy can use the $5,000,000 bonus for the Indycar Speedway Challenge. $5,000,000 to any driver who can win 3 of the 4 ovals... Oh, and make them all 500 milers. But, that's just me.


This idea just screams Winston Million.

Bad thing? Far from, actually.




Call it a Wheldon Trophy and it's perfect. I would love to have a challenge that's similar to the triple crown. Pocono should definitely be a part of this challenge and Indycar calendar.


Dilemma. While I like the idea, The Wheldon Trophy is already taken for the best international driver in the Gold Coast 600.


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Add Milwaukee back in.


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Alex Zanardi on Pack Racing & other things:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/95688

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Double Champ Car champion Alex Zanardi has hit out at the pack racing seen in IndyCar after the death of Dan Wheldon in Las Vegas.

Wheldon, a two-time Indianapolis 500 winner, was killed in the IndyCar finale following a 15-car accident in which a few other drivers were injured due to the severity of the crash. The crash took place as the drivers travelled at over 200mph.

"As I often say, it's not speed the cause of such a crash. If anything, it could be an aggravating factor," Zanardi said in an interview with Autosprint magazine.

"My early years of oval racing, up to 1998, were always very dangerous. Back then, setting up the car meant finding a compromise on the car's speed. You would let it slide until the downforce wasn't yet too low in a way that penalises turn speed too much.

"It was drift driving, and tyre degradation was an important parameter. If a driver crashed against the wall, it was usually his own mistake after he had underestimated these factors.

"Nowadays, instead, driving has become too easy. At turn entry, mid turn, and turn exit, the car is attached to the road surface. In the name of safety - in principle it was even right - the intention was to slow down the cars by giving them an exaggerated amount of downforce, and therefore high drag.

"The result was that, in order to find speed, you now see set-ups with the front being 7cm higher than the rear to lessen the wing's influence! This is nonsense, but it's a necessity to beat the stop watch."

Although Zanardi did not race in the Indy Racing League-sanctioned IndyCar Series, he competed on the high-banked superspeedways in Champ Car - including during the Handford wing era when the Michigan and Fontana events featured non-stop slipstreaming between cars, the closest Champ Car came to the current style of IndyCar pack racing.

"At the beginning of 1998, the Handford wing was introduced in our series. It was a sort of an L-shaped Gurney flap attached backwards, and it was supposed to slow down the cars by generating drag. After the first race I, Michael Andretti and Greg Moore were literally assaulted by enthusiastic journalists who would say what a great race it was, what spectacle.

"We looked at each other and, without having agreed beforehand, we replied simultaneously: 'Have you seen the same race as us?'

"For us it had been crap: with the Handford you couldn't open up a gap to your rival anymore.

"Our job wasn't to race anymore, it was to wait to catch the final slipstream. No more talent, just strategy and that's it. In the long term, this has made the Indy audience fall out of love too.

"At Las Vegas it wasn't a race between drivers anymore. It was a pack of cars moving all together, bunched up with no chance of breaking off. Now, when you race for five minutes with your rival right next to your side, at the point that you notice if his sponsor stickers are not straight, when it's too easy do drive even on the outside line...

"At that point it's like driving with a tutor. An obscenely idiotic thing, because then you distract yourself for not concentrating enough. After a while, even if you are travelling at 340 km/h, you don't realise it anymore."

Zanardi, who lost both his legs in an accident during his Champ Car career, thinks driver standards are also lowered by pack racing.

"In my times, if you went racing on a road course, Paul Tracy would bang wheels regardless when you got by his side," he said. "Instead at Michigan, a super-quick track, he would have enormous respect for anyone.

"With these cars, instead, you drive by always keeping the inside white line as your reference, just because that's the shortest line; the car is glued to the track anyway. But I prefer to race with 1,000 bhp while having to manage the car, instead of nowadays' 650 bhp and these absurd levels of grip."


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Just one question to specialists of this category, did the new DW12 chassis use carbon brake ?

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F1-FR wrote:
Just one question to specialists of this category, did the new DW12 chassis use carbon brake ?
Yes, New car does use Carbon brakes.


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Just one question to specialists of this category, did the new DW12 chassis use carbon brake ?
Yes, New car does use Carbon brakes.


Thanks, and when will be start the first test with this car in a paperclip ?
I suppose that, with a big aerodynamic package, the newest indy car will be lost approximately 10% in top speed...

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Call it a Wheldon Trophy and it's perfect. I would love to have a challenge that's similar to the triple crown. Pocono should definitely be a part of this challenge and Indycar calendar.


Dilemma. While I like the idea, The Wheldon Trophy is already taken for the best international driver in the Gold Coast 600.



I know, but Wheldon made his name on ovals behind the wheel of Indycar, so it would suit better for Indycar Series. Call it a Spirit of Wheldon Title or something like that.

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Dilemma. While I like the idea, The Wheldon Trophy is already taken for the best international driver in the Gold Coast 600.


No disrespect to Dan, but the new car is named after him. We don't need to name everything after him lest it begin to detract from the meaning and the honor of the naming in the first place.

With that said... How's about the "Dan Wheldon Superspeedway Cup". Or... "The Wheldon Challenge".

Someone pass this along to Randy. This is a good idea that with the right promotion would attract fans. BUT... They have to be 500 mile races.


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westracing01 wrote:
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Dilemma. While I like the idea, The Wheldon Trophy is already taken for the best international driver in the Gold Coast 600.


No disrespect to Dan, but the new car is named after him. We don't need to name everything after him lest it begin to detract from the meaning and the honor of the naming in the first place.

With that said... How's about the "Dan Wheldon Superspeedway Cup". Or... "The Wheldon Challenge".

Someone pass this along to Randy. This is a good idea that with the right promotion would attract fans. BUT... They have to 500 mile races.



Indeed, you shouldn't put his name on everything now, but if something should be named after Wheldon, it's the Indycar oval challenge.

I hope someone from Indycar reads this forum and this topic and goes to the organization with this idea.

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You guys could just email RB with your ideas. He's very open and considers a lot of things.

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I think Barnhart's been fired, judging by this quote in Miller's Mailbag that he put out yesterday:

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It's also another reason why the new chief steward needs to have some racing experience at a high level with an understanding of what's racing and what's moronic.

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