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you mean Like Jimmie Johnson. :P

In 1996, Labonte had the equal 1st top 5's, equal 1st top 10's, 2nd most laps led, most money earned, most miles logged and best average finish.

In 1984, Labonte had the equal 1st top 5's, most top 10's, 4th most laps led, most money earned, 3rd most miles logged and best average finish.

So far, Ryan Newman has equal 14th top 5's, equal 9th top 10's, 22nd most laps led, 26th most money earned, 2nd most miles logged and 2nd best average finish.

What? You have 3 races. If you blow a RF tyre in one of them, you still have 2 races that you can try and win or make up your points deficit in.

How is what you have posted any different than Harvick fanboys saying he'd have won the 2010 championship if it was the Winston system? Newman raced the season different to Labonte. Labonte knew stroking was key. Newman knew a win could get him locked in so in a lot of races, he might have been on a risky strategy to try and win which affected his finish. C'mon man I don't even need to say all this. You know they race differently now yet you compare apples to oranges.

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In a 3 race span, the odds of making up the point deficit are close to 0%, whereas in a 36 race season you have a LOT of opportunity for things to even out and take random luck as much out of the equation as possible. I'm not a fan of the whole "win and you're in" thing. It's not stick and ball sports. There are more than just two teams on the field. There's 42 other cars out there. Only 1 out of 43 people can win each event, and you can only have so much influence over the outcome when there are that many other cars out there.

But you can make up for that in one fell swoop by winning, Dan. There's no deficit that you have to make up anymore if you can do that. You can go in with an impossible to overcome 2 races worth points deficit and win the 3rd race and move on to the next round whereas in the old system, you just got 4 paltry points over 2nd place for your win. That right there's the tradeoff that balances this unfairness of having only a 3 race window. And what makes it so exciting too. It absolutely puts the whole world's pressure on your shoulders and your best competition is on its A-game trying to win eace race by any means possible. You just never had that intensity before.

The difference between 185 and 170 is 4? Are you Brian France?

Edit: Sorry 175 before 2004.

That said, the points system from 2007 to 2010 really was the preferable one. A good 15 points between first and second.

Which, as I stated immediately after that quote, is incredibly hard since there are 42 other guys on the track all at once, and luck plays a gigantic factor in the short term when it comes to winning races. (The fastest car doesn't mean you win the race, especially in the GWC era). Plus I don't feel like winning races should guarantee you championship opportunities. A guy who wins 15 races and crashes out of 15 does NOT deserve to be the champion over someone who finished 2nd in 30 races in my opinion.

But no matter what, I HATE the idea of a championship being decided by your luck over a 3 race stretch as opposed to your luck over a 36 race stretch. It's too random and doesn't reward an actual good season, just three good races, or maybe even one good race if you happen to win.

And as I stated, it being so incredibly hard (to win) is what makes it all the more exciting and worthy. To win when all the best teams in the business are throwing everything they've got at trying to win too as they can't rest on any accomplishments from earlier in the season which served to get them to this point. And no coincidence that the two favorites to win the title are the only ones to win more than once during the Chase, proving that winning is not about luck as much as you say it is. Anyway, clearly we're not going to agree on this and I wasn't expecting that either but enjoyed the debate nonetheless. I hope you can derive some enjoyment out of the title decider despite the obvious bitterness.

Firstly, you're the one who brought that up. I'm just pointing out facts that argue fairly convincingly that Labonte was one of, if not the best driver of those seasons.

The issue is, is the "Championship" meant to represent the best driver of the season, or is it a knockout tournament for some sort of title. If it's the latter then, sure, Newman has done enough to get it. If it's the former, then he clearly hasn't. But also, if it's the latter, what does the "Championship" really mean anymore?

Being Sprint Cup champion this year is about the same as winning a very expensive raffle. I think that's the best way of thinking about this year's championship.

A raffle that takes place at a boxing match.

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They should give the winner of this year's raffle a golden ticket into next year's big draw. Also whoever wins the Daytona 500 and the All-Star race gets a golden ticket too.

So NBA, NHL, NFL, Hockey, World Cup, Tennis are all farces.

Wrong.

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this might shock you but racing is not a stick and ball sport and it's not meant to be. two completely different things.