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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 3:18 am 
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scotty wrote:
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BioDiesel probably is the way to go but who wants to see quiet french fry smelling cars?

Uh, me.


Well done you lie in a category which you share with about 12 others. The other 500 million of us would rather keep that loud sound that F1 has had forever. Clearly you have never been to a Grand Prix.

Quite clearly.

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I guess this thready can be closed now, as 2009 is over and its annoying that we have two threads for F1 off-season. :wave:


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Where is the difference between this thread and the Silly Season 2009-2010 thread ?
Do we need two threads for the same topic ?


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Silly season is for the drivers (and teams) placing this year and this general discussion thread for everything else.

The silly season thread won't be used much when we get closer and closer to the first race. Unfortunately these threads are being mixed up sometimes. :thumbsup:


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I guess this thready can be closed now, as 2009 is over and its annoying that we have two threads for F1 off-season. :wave:

Wouldn't it be easier to change the thread title to 2010 discussion?

Just start a new thread IMO.
This one is 210 pages long...


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The problem with the thread is that it wasn't closed immediatly after the final race of the 2009 season... All information from then on appertains to the following season... My as well just call it the 'F1 random discussion thread- 2010' and then all the comments contained within follow on from before... Simples.

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It wouldn't be to hard to start a new one...

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It wouldn't be to hard to start a new one...



It's done now,.... Carry on.

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Misterfreeman87 wrote:
Where is the difference between this thread and the Silly Season 2009-2010 thread ?
Do we need two threads for the same topic ?

Silly Season was about driver changes.

This is about everything else. But the Silly season thread isn't really needed anymore.


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Fabs wrote:
Misterfreeman87 wrote:
Where is the difference between this thread and the Silly Season 2009-2010 thread ?
Do we need two threads for the same topic ?

Silly Season was about driver changes.

This is about everything else. But the Silly season thread isn't really needed anymore.


Why not? There's still six spots open officially: 2xUSF1, Renault, Toro Rosso, Campos and Sauber.


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Bleu wrote:
Fabs wrote:
Misterfreeman87 wrote:
Where is the difference between this thread and the Silly Season 2009-2010 thread ?
Do we need two threads for the same topic ?

Silly Season was about driver changes.

This is about everything else. But the Silly season thread isn't really needed anymore.


Why not? There's still six spots open officially: 2xUSF1, Renault, Toro Rosso, Campos and Sauber.

I meant we could discuss that here :)


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Happy 41st birthday Michael Schumacher :) :)


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no shit sherlock's
http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=47588

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F1 designers call for track changes

Sunday, 03 January 2010 01:52

Two of Formula 1’s leading car designers believe radical changes to circuit layouts are needed to spice up the show.

Red Bull technical chief Adrian Newey and his Williams counterpart Sam Michael agree that the major rule changes instituted in 2009 yielded disappointing results, but feel circuit rather than chassis design is the key to improving the spectacle.

“Fundamentally, I think the circuits are probably the biggest influence,” Newey told Racecar Engineering magazine.

“Everybody keeps conveniently forgetting about that, as it is deemed to be easier to change the cars than change the circuits.”

Michael reckons the switch to slick tyres and lower aerodynamic downforce in ’09 had some positive effects, and says the disparity in the amount of overtaking at different circuits highlighted the nature of the problem.

“One thing that hasn’t really been addressed at all so far is circuit design,” he said.

“You’ve got to ask yourself, why do you go to a race such as Barcelona where no one overtakes, and then take exactly the same cars to Monza, Montreal or Hockenheim and you get lots of overtaking.
“Those cars are exactly the same aerodynamically, yet on one circuit they overtake a lot and on another circuit they don’t overtake at all.

“It’s because of the circuit layout – it’s because when they lay out circuits they don’t look closely enough at the combination of slow-speed corners onto straights followed by slow-speed corners.

“This is something that the FIA are dealing with now and having a really strong look at.

“If you look at somewhere like Abu Dhabi, which was a brand new circuit, there are some very good aspects to that circuit, but because there were some pretty fundamental mistakes there, they need to change them before next year.

“There’s no point being sensitive about it – ultimately there wasn’t good enough racing in Abu Dhabi, and Formula 1 has to look at itself and ask why.

“You can’t keep putting all of it on the car design all of the time.

“Of course the car design has some responsibility for it, but if you went to every circuit and you never saw any overtaking, then you could blame it all on the car design.

“But clearly that’s not the case, because there are places where cars do overtake.

“So clearly this needs a pretty thorough look at. It’s something the FIA have taken charge of now, so hopefully we’ll see some good come out of it.”

McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh concurs that much more attention needs to be focused on circuit design.

“You only need to do simple statistical analysis and look at where the overtaking moves are,” he told F1 Racing.

“If, say, we race on 18 circuits with 350 corners, then 90 per cent of overtaking moves in a year would happen at just 10 corners.

“You also have to look at the preceding corner.

“The fact that overtaking is focused on such a small number of corners clearly demonstrates that it’s circuit-dependent.”

The FIA recently hosted a seminar to investigate how to increase overtaking in F1 – attended by the sport’s dominant circuit designer Hermann Tilke, seven-time world champion Michael Schumacher and veteran Penske and G-Force designer Nigel Bennett – but few major changes are expected to be implemented for the 2010 season.



bye-bye Tilke :wave:


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 12:32 pm 
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Happy 41st birthday Michael Schumacher :) :)

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http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=47588

bye-bye Tilke :wave:

Let's race on pointless tracks like Avus, or the Norisring. That will improve "racing".

Or make it simpler, 2 hairpins linked by 3 km-long straights. Every single country in the world would be able to organize a GP as all you need is a small stretch of a public highway.


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Still wouldn't be able to get close because of aerodynamics and the braking distances are too short.

Both the main problems in F1 and neither have anything to do with track design :o


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Right, so make it that each half of the pack gets boost on either one of the straights. ;)

More seriously, it's no surprise that designers will throw the ball at circuit design, the last thing they want is to scrap off the advances they did over the last few decades.

Actually, there are so much flaws in their misleading argumentation, that I wonder if those are really top engineers speaking!!
Some of the tracks they're racing on are exactly the same as 30 years ago layout-wise, but racing has become less and less close.


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I dont agree the racing the last few years has been very close and there has been more passing than earlier in the decade and its all because of the engine changes and big budget constructors going all out.
Braking distances need to be fixed by using less efficient brakes they are to short for overtaking.
I can see the big teams pull out big gaps to the small teams now because they will be able to out resource them look how fast Mclaren caught and passed smaller teams.
There will always be an aero problem as long as they use the big rear wing it creates most of the problem.
Road racing will never produce as much passing as oval racing that is well known.

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Or make it simpler, 2 hairpins linked by 3 km-long straights. Every single country in the world would be able to organize a GP as all you need is a small stretch of a public highway.


The engine power is too similar between the cars so it doesn't matter how long the straights are it won't help.

F1 needs to get hold of the Algarve designer if they want a track that is challenging and can produce lots of passing.


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They are getting desperate if they blame tracks :flag:


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