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Fair-ish point, but let's not also pretend the teams aren't looking after their budgets when agreeing to less-than-radical change to the technical package. Especially with the tapered spacer. That's a huge help to them from a financial standpoint because it will increase engine reliability.

Sign or we withhold prize money?

Tapered spacers?! When's the last good Nationwide race you've seen with a tapered spacer? RIP NASCAR

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Less weight=more chance for blowovers.
Good tast.

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Less hp+tapered spacer=lower speeds, less chance for blowovers

A fun concession would be to let them run the same tapered spacer at the plate tracks as well.

McLaren needs to develop a detuned plate ECU.

I'll see how the racing is before I pass judgement.

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Still won't be good enough. Gotta invent a time machine to fix it properly IMO. #Na$car #hashbrown

Seriously tho, I agree.

I wonder if people actually go back and watch old races in full? And realize how ridiculously boring majority of them actually were at times?

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lol. you were the one that said a modern day nascar race would be much better than watching bodine dominate a north wilkesboro race from the 90s. no thanks, old races are infinitely more entertaining than current nascar, regardless of how the actual race played out

I made some videos for my mom for when she was laid up after surgery - I downloaded full races from the early\mid-90's to early 2000's, then put the videos through Movie Maker to make race recaps. To do that, I'd obviously have to go through each race to be sure not to miss anything exciting. To be honest, there's always been a smattering of good battles here and there (even in the more recent races I re-watched), but never the 100% amazing erection-fests people seem to remember.

People's brains choose to remember things in a certain way. I enjoy the shit out of Super Mario Bros. 3 more than I ever will a godforsaken Call of Duty game... blech. It's just one of those things.

there were boring races but "ridiculously boring majority" is an overstatement. like the 2000 cup season was kinda shitty but i'd prefer it to a '14 race

Hm... I have to disagree with you on that one. Maybe I was in the prime of my youth and had interests in other things at the time I watched those races in 1999-2000, but I didn't watch as religiously as I normally did for a couple years. I went right back into it in '01 or so, but I'd take this year's racing over 2000's.

I did think that the early years of the COT were painful racing-wise, however.

Are you directing that at me? If so, I'd take a race now anyday over the '94 NW race where Bodine was the only one on the lead lap. Or the '93 October Charlotte race where Ernie pretty much lead the entire thing. Or the fact that in 1993 Wallace/Earnhardt/Martin/Irvan were the only multiple race winners and won all but 6 races between them. And that's coming from a Rusty fan. Or 1994 where all but 6 races were won by a top 10 starting spot. Or 1998 where Jeff won 13 races including a stretch where he won 7 of 9 in a row.

Point being, yes there were some great battles/races in the past, not denying that, and I know how everyone gets a super hard on for "old school" stuff, but to sit here and say the racing today is horrible and the past was just simply the best thing ever, well that's just plain stupid.

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The way things are now, I can't wait for Kyle Larson to win 13 races in a season. Hell, he'll probably do that next year.

The main thing is they could get close to each other and not have the handling go to hell in the old days (by old, I mean until the last decade before the fucking front ends started being glued to the ground all the way around the track all the time). Heck, you got behind another car back then, the lead car got out of shape. Now it's the other way around most of the time.

This.

In the 80s and early 90s, the field spread was greater, but the cars were great for racing. If you had cars that could follow each other in the corners with the closeness of today's field, it could be brilliant. That's why I find it so frustrating. My favourite era was probably the late 90s and early 00s. Battles like Craven vs Busch simply wouldn't be possible in the crappy high downforce cars.

I can only hope the changes for 2015 are the first of many changes to reduce downforce, but this is NASCAR we're talking about.