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Underdogfan · PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 5:34 am

No disrespect to local boy Fred Lorenzen, but no way is he more deserving than BP for a HOF spot. Yeah this shit is just dumb

simonracer · PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 9:01 am

Underdogfan wrote:

No disrespect to local boy Fred Lorenzen, but no way is he more deserving than BP for a HOF spot. Yeah this shit is just dumb

It's only my personal opinion, but I'd say Rex White is a lot more of a left field choice for this HOF then Fred Lorenzen. I'm a lot more surprised that he got in over BP compared to Fred Lorenzen getting in over BP. Actually, there are quite a few people who you would normally have expected to have got in over Rex White. He was good, but he seems like one of those guys who really benefited from many of the top drivers not driving the minor events in the early years.

Wreckinturn4 · PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 2:07 pm

Racefan4ever wrote:

miguel paludo for the hof IMO.

racin' for a passport! that's real. or was that hermie quiroga?

ChrisTRD · PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 2:39 pm

the ost wrote:

This is why they should get rid of Halls Of Fame. The majority of discussion is about who didn't get in.

It's like that in other sports as well. If you're an NFL fan, you got pretty sick and tired of the Cris Carter got snubbed talk the couple years before he got in.

de31168 · PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 3:04 pm

I still don't see how Wendell Scott is anything more than a PR stunt. Janet Guthrie needs to be in too because she paved the way for women racers and was ridiculed and laughed at.

FHgrad99 · PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 4:03 pm

It's going to happen again.

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ChrisTRD · PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 5:15 pm

de31168 wrote:

I still don't see how Wendell Scott is anything more than a PR stunt. Janet Guthrie needs to be in too because she paved the way for women racers and was ridiculed and laughed at.

Eh to compare what a woman and an African-American went through is a bit apples and oranges. I don't think woman were being horribly murdered for dinner being served late.

de31168 · PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 5:36 pm

Oh they got smacked around plenty in the bigoted south. The point being is.. who did he pave the way for? He broke down the race barrier in NASCAR for who? The 3 african american drivers after him? I think NASCAR and its drivers treated him like shit, but because he went against it to race doesn't make him hall of fame worthy. A stand up gentleman for sure, but no different than any other independent of the time who had to scrape together from nothing to compete. They added in his description "Scott also posted 147 top-10 finishes, more than 25 percent of the races he entered." If you watched Wendell Scott: A Race Story that ESPN did, you'd know that he chose which races to go to so that all the big name drivers would NOT be at to see how many cars were there and the depth of the field in order to get a 9th or 10th and the money that went along with it. Cherry picking races to get a paycheck for being "the best of the rest" isn't hall of fame worthy. Did you ever look at the mans statistics? The ONLY race he EVER finished on the LEAD LAP was the one he won. ONE lead lap finish in 495 races! "In his distinguished career, Scott accumulated 20 top-five finishes including eight of them in the same season he won his first career race, 1964." Those top fives? He was at his very best 5 laps down and as many as 32 laps down.

I just don't see how, compared to the others on the list, he is in the hall of fame other than NASCAR saying "Sorry we treated you like shit."

Cartman · PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 6:42 pm

Maybe NASCAR is coming down with WWE Syndrome: being powerful enough to "change history" and make certain people and events bigger and more important than they really were.

Soon enough, Kyle Busch will be a first-ballot HOF'er and be declared the "Greatest Driver Ever" based solely on his Nationwide and Truck accomplishments.

Gaara · PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 6:43 pm

They're already trying that...

Andre · PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 7:42 pm

The most impressive part of Kyle Busch's weekend was when he beat those up-and-comers in the truck race, and then promptly wrecked himself in the Winston against the big boys.

HoF for sure.

the ost · PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 12:04 am

Fred Lorenzen was an awesome stock car driver. Rex White was an awesome stock car driver.
Benny will get in and Curtis Turner will get in. It's pointless to make it a competition between them, they're all worthy of being recognised.

As far as Wendell Scott goes, you need to look past stock car racing and to society in general. The South has a terrible reputation for racism and bigotry and yet here was a guy who did what he wanted to do anyway. If NASCAR want to honor that then they can, it's their history to tell however they want.

Anyway, that's my 2¢. I'll move on.

Joe A · PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 12:21 am

So, why just five inductees for the HoF? Why not more?

Tristar 7AT · PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 12:58 am

For that

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OldAsphalt · PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 3:52 am

fucking lol

Andre · PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 2:39 pm

I honestly think that 5 inductees per year is a smidge high. The MLB, NHL or NFL can get away with 5 a year because there's a bigger pool to choose from. Racing definitely has a wide array of crew chiefs, engine builders, owners and (obviously) drivers across a bunch of different sub-series, but it's not quite as deep as other sports.

Perhaps having 3 inductees per year would make it slightly more prestigious, and keep the company that much "select" (not sure what other word to use). That's just me, though.

And yeah, I echo what the ost said about Wendell Scott. It's not a Hall of Stats, it's a Hall of Fame. He hasn't exactly blazed a trail (Willy T. Ribbs, Bill Lester and Bubba Wallace... who else?) but... we didn't live in that era. We read about it in textbooks and see pictures, but to have lived it, and gone through it all just for the love of racing, that's a hell of a story.

There are probably many greater astronauts than Neil Armstrong, but Neil's still the one who set the bar just because he was "the guy".

ChrisTRD · PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 2:45 pm

I personally think they should have done 10 for the first 5 years then backed it down to 5 starting year 6. 50 in 5 years is a good chunk. Done.

Gael · PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 2:51 pm

Andre wrote:

There are probably many greater astronauts than Neil Armstrong, but Neil's still the one who set the bar just because he was "the guy".

Yeah, Buzz Aldrin is better!

Spoiler:

But yeah, I think 3 makes more sense to me.

Cartman · PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 3:30 pm

In fairness to the NASCAR Hall of Fame... well, that's the thing: It's the NASCAR Hall of Fame. They own the place, they can induct whoever they please.

There's always the International Motorsports HOF if you want a more legit process.

Gaara · PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 2:44 pm

Trevor Bayne will run the #6 full time in Cup next year.

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