2019 Formula One Random Discussion Thread

codename_47 · PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:50 pm

James B wrote:

codename_47 wrote:

I still don't get the nostalgia for the place, though - it was a boring shithole in the middle of nowhere, and everyone other than Prost and Ferrari hated going there

Because when you're served up dry shit on a plate in the form of Paul Ricard, even boring dry pasta with no sauce is preferable :lol:

I'm not saying it was on the level of spa, but I remember childhood me looking forward to it way more than Barcelona and imola and the other early season european snoozers

Plus, you know, it rained a couple of times and its run off it's migrane inducing, win win :lol:

Metzo · PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:41 pm

kals wrote:

Metzo wrote:

Vassago wrote:

Classic nostalgia shit. People simply forgot how awful Magny Cours was :lol:

It was Catalunya-boredom level.

and you are ignoring how awful the tracks of today are. bet you enjoy paul ricard and sochi.

at least Magny Cours had character.

It lost it's character when they massacred the final sector.

may you explain how they massacred the final sector? i mean, with saying "massacred the final sector" i would understand catalunya or fuji, but magny cours?

StefMeister · PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:20 pm

The old final sector had some character and offered an interesting challenge. You were braking downhill into the old chicane which itself dropped downhill with a camber change in the middle and you then continued to drop slightly downhill into the final corner which was a fun little corner. That section was a really easy place to lose time because it looked easier than it was.

The section that has been there since 2003 is essentially a straightforward braking zone into an uninteresting slow corner with a short run into an equally uninspiring little chicane. It's certainly not as good, interesting or as challenging as it used to be.

And i think the same is true with a lot of the circuit changes that were aimed at creating a spot where overtaking is more possible. Corners that used to be interesting, challenging or a bit unique turned into somewhat uninteresting generic slow corners that don't offer much of a challenge.

Oh and Liberty are saying they have done a deal to run a race around a car park in Miami in 2021 on a track that looks as flat, featureless and uninspiring as you would expect from such a circuit.
https://www.racefans.net/2019/10/15/f1- ... m-in-2021/

codename_47 · PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:58 pm

StefMeister wrote:

The old final sector had some character and offered an interesting challenge. You were braking downhill into the old chicane which itself dropped downhill with a camber change in the middle and you then continued to drop slightly downhill into the final corner which was a fun little corner. That section was a really easy place to lose time because it looked easier than it was.

The section that has been there since 2003 is essentially a straightforward braking zone into an uninteresting slow corner with a short run into an equally uninspiring little chicane. It's certainly not as good, interesting or as challenging as it used to be.

And i think the same is true with a lot of the circuit changes that were aimed at creating a spot where overtaking is more possible. Corners that used to be interesting, challenging or a bit unique turned into somewhat uninteresting generic slow corners that don't offer much of a challenge.

Tell that to Jarno "you're fired" Trulli :whistling:

racer612008 · PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:18 am

StefMeister wrote:

Oh and Liberty are saying they have done a deal to run a race around a car park in Miami in 2021 on a track that looks as flat, featureless and uninspiring as you would expect from such a circuit.
https://www.racefans.net/2019/10/15/f1- ... m-in-2021/

I wonder if they will have any grandstands on the Walmart parking lot at one of the hairpin corners :lol:

Omega · PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:57 am

Isn't that the 3rd layout proposal that Miami has done in the last 5 years? Why do they so desperately want F1 to come?

mclaren2008 · PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:51 pm

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

kals · PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:24 pm

@

Metzo - it is this...

StefMeister wrote:

The old final sector had some character and offered an interesting challenge. You were braking downhill into the old chicane which itself dropped downhill with a camber change in the middle and you then continued to drop slightly downhill into the final corner which was a fun little corner. That section was a really easy place to lose time because it looked easier than it was.

The section that has been there since 2003 is essentially a straightforward braking zone into an uninteresting slow corner with a short run into an equally uninspiring little chicane. It's certainly not as good, interesting or as challenging as it used to be.

And i think the same is true with a lot of the circuit changes that were aimed at creating a spot where overtaking is more possible. Corners that used to be interesting, challenging or a bit unique turned into somewhat uninteresting generic slow corners that don't offer much of a challenge.

Thank you @

StefMeister for articulating it so well.

Omega · PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:38 pm

StefMeister wrote:

Omega wrote:

I would love you forever if you could succesfully explain me how to run GP4 on my windows 8!

Installed GP4 earlier to see if I could get it running on newer hardware. This is all on Windows 7 64-bit (Yeah still running 7) so don't know about Windows 8/10 but here's what I did...

Installed game,
Downloaded/Installed the official patch (Available HERE),
Downloaded the Decrypted No-CD patch (Available here) & copied the GP4.exe file into the install folder replacing the original,
Right click on GP4.exe & set compatibility mode to Windows XP (SP3).

And when I started the game the game loaded & ran without issue. You have to start the game via the GP4.exe file as you get Direct x 8 errors trying to start it via the Autorun file the default desktop shortcut links to.

And to get it running in widescreen if you want it to:
http://www.wsgf.org/dr/grand-prix-4

It worked, for a moment. Managed to to two quick races, but then it started saying "GP4 has found an error and has to be closed".
So progress, but not at the finish line yet.

amq55 · PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:24 pm

Omega wrote:

StefMeister wrote:

Omega wrote:

I would love you forever if you could succesfully explain me how to run GP4 on my windows 8!

Installed GP4 earlier to see if I could get it running on newer hardware. This is all on Windows 7 64-bit (Yeah still running 7) so don't know about Windows 8/10 but here's what I did...

Installed game,
Downloaded/Installed the official patch (Available HERE),
Downloaded the Decrypted No-CD patch (Available here) & copied the GP4.exe file into the install folder replacing the original,
Right click on GP4.exe & set compatibility mode to Windows XP (SP3).

And when I started the game the game loaded & ran without issue. You have to start the game via the GP4.exe file as you get Direct x 8 errors trying to start it via the Autorun file the default desktop shortcut links to.

And to get it running in widescreen if you want it to:
http://www.wsgf.org/dr/grand-prix-4

It worked, for a moment. Managed to to two quick races, but then it started saying "GP4 has found an error and has to be closed".

On mine it crashed in the middle of the first race but it hasn't since. And it even works well with my cheap game pad.
So progress, but not at the finish line yet.

StefMeister · PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:30 pm

I saw some people online suggest that ticking the 'Run as administrator' box in the compatibility options also helps with some errors.

It's a shame licensing makes it unlikely these old F1 games will ever end up on GOG.com as they do a great job at getting old games running on newer systems.

Vassago · PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:11 pm

Metzo wrote:

Vassago wrote:

Classic nostalgia shit. People simply forgot how awful Magny Cours was :lol:

It was Catalunya-boredom level.

and you are ignoring how awful the tracks of today are. bet you enjoy paul ricard and sochi.

at least Magny Cours had character.

Nonsense. I hate Paul Ricard and I said this multiple times. Not because of the configuration alone but because of the ever-present astro-turf. Didn't I mention several times I absolutely HATE the astro-turf craze. Bring back the old gravel which actually punishes drivers for their mistakes and then we can talk about enjoying tracks.

I rememeber the pre-internet days of F1 and I never heard of Magny Course having a "character". That's a straight out lie spread by people living in the social media fraud reality. You might sell this lie to some new kid on the block but not to someone who follows F1 for 28 years like me. Monza & Spa had character, the old Hockenheim had character but Magny Cours? Hell no :yuk:

Remove Catalunya from the calendar now and I bet in 10-15 years people will be clammoring for its return since the track has "character". Hell, I'm reading positives about Jerez too despite that track being too narrow & twisty for modern F1 anymore. This follows the same pattern, people have erased the bad memories and pretend the long lost boredom was never boring in first place.

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:22 pm

the only possible solution for Paul Ricard and Catalunya lies on track sprinklers at all times on

well they water football pitches before matches so the ball can roll easily, why not do that to the tarmac so the cars could play the yakety sax once in a while?

Metzo · PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:41 pm

Vassago wrote:

I rememeber the pre-internet days of F1 and I never heard of Magny Course having a "character". That's a straight out lie spread by people living in the social media fraud reality. You might sell this lie to some new kid on the block but not to someone who follows F1 for 28 years like me. Monza & Spa had character, the old Hockenheim had character but Magny Cours? Hell no :yuk:

i disagree on that. as someone who follows f1 for 23 years, i think Magny Cours has character, but the not the same character the mentioned classic venues. its overall a decent track (especially compared it to todays tracks) but it will never be a classic.

and to solve the problem with catalunya, move the spainsh gp to aragon which is by far the best f1 suitable track in spain.

Vassago · PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:00 pm

Metzo wrote:

Vassago wrote:

I rememeber the pre-internet days of F1 and I never heard of Magny Course having a "character". That's a straight out lie spread by people living in the social media fraud reality. You might sell this lie to some new kid on the block but not to someone who follows F1 for 28 years like me. Monza & Spa had character, the old Hockenheim had character but Magny Cours? Hell no :yuk:

i disagree on that. as someone who follows f1 for 23 years, i think Magny Cours has character, but the not the same character the mentioned classic venues. its overall a decent track (especially compared it to todays tracks) but it will never be a classic.

and to solve the problem with catalunya, move the spainsh gp to aragon which is by far the best f1 suitable track in spain.

Aragon is just another astro-turf madness. Tango down for me. The best part of the track is the castle :lol:

The thing with all this Magny Cours nostalgia is also the fact it's different than all the modern Tilke-dromes. Just because it's different it doesn't mean it's better or has a character. One can argue Sepang remains the best of Tilke's projects but it's also been build over 20 years ago without the repulsive astro-turf hoopla of today.

Lost in all of this is that without UAE & Bahrain's veto we'd have a F1 GP in Losail as well.

James B · PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:44 pm

This is a real shame: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/reve ... 0/4559859/

"It is understood some front-running teams were against the plan because they believed that it would be too difficult for them to make up enough ground if they started at the back" - fuck 'em, seriously. As if they haven't had a hand in creating a formula where it's hard to overtake

codename_47 · PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:00 am

The teams will never vote through anything that has a chance to upset the normal order.

They're not in it to entertain us, they want to get the job done in the most efficient (IE boring) way possible

The 2021 rules will go the same way too, until they're massively compromised to the point there'll be no point doing it except it'll cost more

In a lot of ways, the liberty era is a lot more positive for the sport than what came before, but when it comes to forcing things on the teams and using rules loopholes and even the courts to do what they just don't want to do (IE make the sport more entertaining or safer), you do kind of miss the Machiavellian tactics of Max Mosley.

Max would've had Reversed grids proposed along with 2 other more outlandish ideas like oval races or driver/team swapping and told them they had to vote for one of them, so they'd have no choice but to plump for reversed grids, however much they didn't like it

RtN · PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:15 am

They can impose whatever rules they want for 2021. There is currently no Concorde Agreement for 2021 or beyond. They can tell the teams to take it or leave it.

Besides, I thought it was Bernie who floated the daft ideas to get the teams to agree to the sensible ones?

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:13 am

Liberty should be very clear like Bernie did "accept those rules or there'll be no money and if you guys start whining we'll increase the entrance fee"

hit them where it hurts the most

Vassago · PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:15 am

Liberty is appeasing the social justice BS like getting rid of the grid girls. Btw, what happened with those kids that were supposed to replace grid girls? I haven't seen them whatsoever (while Dorna keeps flashing these Monster umbrella girls left, right & center in MotoGP despite them calling out F1 over their own girls).

Liberty doesn't have an inch of the guts Bernie had so they will NEVER enforce anything on those teams. The teams know it and they will play hardball with these schmucks all over the place.

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