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Got better in the last 5 laps or so, when there was difference in tyre disparity.

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What tf is Nissany still doing in this series, running at the back

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What tf is Nissany still doing in this series, running at the back

Btw. why can't there be open-wheel series for drivers in their 30s that never made it to F1?
Why is it that F3 and such are only reserved for "junior drivers" and all "old drivers" are forced to move to GT racing or to retire. I don't even like non-open-wheel series. So if I was a racing driver, I would want to race till my 40s only in formula categories (except Formula E).


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Martins shoved Pourchaire wide and made him lose a place. Should be a loud team meeting after this :roll:

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Btw. why can't there be open-wheel series for drivers in their 30s that never made it to F1?

IndyCar & Super Formula are exactly that.

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pimmy wrote:
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Btw. why can't there be open-wheel series for drivers in their 30s that never made it to F1?

IndyCar & Super Formula are exactly that.


I think Indycar has a lot more going for it than just being an f1 retirement home thanks

It's not like F1 drivers are able to swoop over and dominate either*, they find it hard to adjust, proving that it is it's own "thing"

*OK, once, but it was hardly dominance really...

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Btw. why can't there be open-wheel series for drivers in their 30s that never made it to F1?

IndyCar & Super Formula are exactly that.


I think Indycar has a lot more going for it than just being an f1 retirement home thanks

I didn't say it was. Lots of drivers in Indy came up through the European ladder and didn't reach F1. OK most of them are in their 20s instead of 30s but the point remains.

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There are tons of old guys in F1 blocking seats for younger (more?) talented drivers. Look at Ricciardo moving into the Red Bull juniors teams. Or at Bottas for example. These guys have millions of fans, still drive decently and therefore stay in business. If you think about how long it took Piastri to finally race in F1... Anyone who isn't dominating F2 won't have a shot at an F1 seat. And there are many really, really good drivers who aren't dominating F2. So it's almost too logical for IndyCar teams to scoop up the likes of Illot, Lundgaard and so on. I'd even name Palou in the same category, even if he came from Japan instead of F2.


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I was thinking about this topic this week-end. Do we really want the top series to be either world-class talent, or young guys rotating every 6 months unless they show wonderboy abilities straight away? I think I personally don't. To me, F1 needs some relative stability with all sorts of various characters to follow. Top talent of course, but also: paying drivers, mediocre fun drivers, inconsistent bastards, heck even an incompetent lingering old guy every once in a while. It shouldn't be completely closed off of course, but I feel we are at a happy medium now even if it means some people get left out from the juniors (we didn't use to care much about that back when they got less exposure. Now you see live races and suddenly 10+ driver per series appear as contenders for F1)

I'm not a Company CEO who wants to see the best of the best at every lap, and I'm not a young driver's manager. I'm a fan, here to be entertained, and have fun stories and stupid pointless crap happening every once in a while. Where some people see a "wasted seat", I see entertainment and storyline value. We remember Rosset, Inoue, Ide. People like Sato would've been sacked from the first half-season by today's standards, robbing us from a wonderful entertaining career. Replace that with a field of the top juniors from the current F2 and F3 and you'd have a competitive, but oh so clean and ultimately boring formatted field of people who barely put a wheel off the line. Just my opinion, I'm probably being a bit of a dick here :p


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This is exactly why it's frustrating to see F1 teams stall any potential new teams joining the grid, when you have all those drivers in ladder series showing they deserve a seat and a bottleneck up top so there's no-where for them to go once they've won and aged out of it

Drivers like Max, Alonso and Lewis could be in the sport for 20 maybe even 25 years if they wanted to (Max was the youngest ever starter and will probably be given a red bull seat for as long as he wants it, even though he keeps threatening to quit and do other things, its a hell of a drug to give up

If I was the FIA I'd be running 4 cars myself for next generation talent for those drivers not tied to traditional team ladder programs like Red Bull juniors
Hell, they could have 2 for Formula 2 champions/other high level motorsport champions and 2 for female champions (though they might want to get on and develop a higher-tier female development ladder series than the formula 4 level series we've had to this point)

There's a lot of talent out there that gets wasted. Doubly frustrating when you consider how many F1 seats are taken up by the untalented but rich

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funny you guys mentioned that, in the 60's and 70's the french had the Volante Shell (later Volante Elf), a initiative that prized the best one with funding to reach top tiers

Cevert and Depailler reached F1 by winning this prize

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Doubly frustrating when you consider how many F1 seats are taken up by the untalented but rich


From what I've seen there is only two genuine pay drivers on the grid. Zhou and Stroll. Without Stroll we have no Aston Martin. Zhou is mediocre but not the worst.

Sargeant I don't think is bringing that much money to Williams?

Add more mediocre teams onto the grid we'll just get more mediocre pay drivers, so adding more cars isn't solving anything, FIA wouldn't finance it's own team.


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Biggest issue to new teams is that you have to build your own car. Customer cars were voted down years back.

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peterohanrahanrahan wrote:
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Doubly frustrating when you consider how many F1 seats are taken up by the untalented but rich


From what I've seen there is only two genuine pay drivers on the grid. Zhou and Stroll. Without Stroll we have no Aston Martin. Zhou is mediocre but not the worst.

Sargeant I don't think is bringing that much money to Williams?

Add more mediocre teams onto the grid we'll just get more mediocre pay drivers, so adding more cars isn't solving anything, FIA wouldn't finance it's own team.


Perez? Has he crossed the threshold by going to a team that doesn't need his money? :?

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codename_47 wrote:
Perez? Has he crossed the threshold by going to a team that doesn't need his money? :?


As bad as he's been, particularly in qualifying, he's still got 2 wins and 4 podiums (and no DNF's) in 11 races. He's still closer to Verstappen as to what Gasly and Albon were when they were dropped by RBR.


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