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I consider all those weird stuff as sports because once they start questioning people will realize that motorsports is not a sport haha

maybe if Liberty could do some sprint races to support F1 races in old f1 cars with only women at the wheel things could be interesting, more racing with different drivers

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Even in F1 that's not required.

Lazy bastards!

People keep claiming they're now unemployed is just utterly stupid. It's one job a year and probably doesn't pay all that much.

the last woman that Senna had a relationship before his death was a grid girl for Shell during the 1993 Brazilian GP. He was very interested and they started dating

after his death she published a book about the relationship and never left mainstream media since then

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I highlighted those paragraphs because that is ultimately the reason why there are so few women here or in the sport. We, as men who historically excluded women from the sport, create the masculine environment, play gatekeeper for a sport that we don't own, and when women stay away from the inevitably unwelcome atmosphere, we collectively decide that the problem must be the sport, not the environment which we create. There's at least one female member here who generates a ton of hyper-masculine crap from some members whenever she posts. Are you surprised women don't want to get involved when there are people in this very thread declaring that this isn't a sport for them?

I talk to a few female journalists who cover motorsport, and all of them see this as progress. One of them had to spend time defending her opinion against a bunch of men who claimed:

- She doesn't know what she is talking about (She really does)
- She can't be a feminist if she supports women losing their jobs (They are agency workers and F1 won't be using the agencies - this isn't 'losing' a job)
- She (as a woman) is responsible for the death of F1
- Women don't like F1, so don't get a say

All of this for daring to celebrate F1 becoming a little more accessible to 52% of the world's population. All of this in response to a single tweet. She's used to it, but how many other women are put off by shit like that?

It does suck that many models might not get to work a GP again, but that's agency work for you. No-one spoke up for the models in countries that lost their GPs to Bernie's dealing, did they? Let's not pretend that people who will miss the 'glamour' are worried about employment for women. No-one had much support for the grid boys at Monaco in 2015. People still watch the WEC, which did this three years ago.

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EAS Is right that this is ultimately a business decision from Liberty. If women see that they are being taken a little more seriously than as eye-candy billboards, they will be more tempted to watch. @

Gaara is spot on in pointing out that these small changes mean nothing to us but a lot more to girls who might see women parading in front of the male drivers and see a sport which only has one role for them.

If you're struggling to understand the decision, then maybe it's because this decision wasn't taken with you in mind. Do yourself a huge favour - find a female journalist or aspiring driver and ask what they think.

I spoke to one of the grid girls when I worked a the Porto WTCC race a few years back (granted, not a big event but FIA nonetheless).

The girls are all hired by local modelling agencies who paid them around €200 (or supposed to be, the agencies may not give them all of it) for 4 days + a per diem for them to eat something at the paddock. Also, they didn't just stand at the grid, they were also looking pretty on other places of the paddock.

I presume the F1 girls were paid more but it's not that good of a job, especially if it's raining.

Is that €200 a day or €50 a day?

One's pretty good money (especially for a no-mark series like WTCC) and the other isn't.

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Yeah, I know he's mad and I don't care. I do not care. I did not care then. I do not care now. I'm here to race him.

50 a day.

Eh. The money alone probably isn't worth it. Although it probably looks good on the CV - 'I worked at a sporting event in front of 10,000 people and didn't fuck up.'

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Yeah, I know he's mad and I don't care. I do not care. I did not care then. I do not care now. I'm here to race him.

all this political correctness... djeez

let them have 50/50 gridgirls/gridboys then, so everyone is pleased.

it has been part of F1 since I started watching it back in 1986, and had been for a long time before that.

If it ain't broken, don't fix it.

Just curious, how does the WEC mark the grid spots? Do the team members hold the sign for them?

Also I think a good idea to replace the grid girls congratulating the drivers up to the podium would be to have a selection of fans doing that. Well, they would have to be well vetted, but that could be cool.

That's what Vettel said the single time we had grid boys.

you get 200€ for 4 days job where you just have to walk around and you have access to paddock, grid, box, all places where a common mortal can't go or has to pay thousands of dollars to go. Where do i sign?

not to mention that the place is crawling with 1st league photographers, cameramen, sponsors, media personalities, those are all opportunities for them to get noticed and get booked for other jobs.

Here is the point feminism 2.0 is bullshit. feminism 1.0 was done in the name of equal rights, wages, abortion, divorce, and things like those.
Feminism 2.0 just tells women they are too stupid to think for themselves. So you want to wear the Hijab? no you can't, listen to me that's religion exploiting you. So you want to become a pornstar? no you can't, that's society sexualizing you. So you want to be a gridgirl cause you like being payd to be in a cool place surrounded by cool people? no you can't, being pretty is a sin.
you go back to last century, civil rights were a serious thing. Today is like young people are just parodying their grandparents, making a big fuss over absolutely nothing: "I walk in new york for 10 hours with a skirt and people dare to look at my legs, i feel sexually harassed"

Are you actually for real or just trolling? I can't believe that F1 not having grid girls has upset you quite so much. And here was me thinking people watched F1 for the racing.

I have zero issue with them getting rid of them, I didn't watch it for that

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The ladies that do the GP gig most likely also do other similar gigs. If these also follow suit they actually do end up unemployed or at least see their number of gigs go down.
Besides they most likely also see the gig as a stepping stone to modeling. There will be either people from the business present or at least watching on tv so there is a chance they do get noticed.
So yes, the decision does have an impact on these ladies.


Personally I'm on the fence about this decision.
On the one hand it does objectify women and we should be questioning that and maybe this decision is a good decision.

On the other hand, these ladies have a free will. As stated before, they most likely have the ambition to go into modeling. If they decide to stand there by free will who are we to stop that? Should we only listen to the group that screams we men are objectifying women by using them as grid girls or should we also lend an ear to the group that quietly says they're ok with showing of their body?

TBH, I dont think there is a right answer in this. Women are not object for us to ooze over but who are we to stop women who wants us to ooze over them?

The third paragraph of his post answers the question, even without reading the ones before it. It isn't about F1; it's about those uppity womenfolk* and their constant screeching to be treated like humans etc etc

* Even though this is a rare case where women almost certainly weren't involved in the decision!

It's just another example of pandering to the vocal minority who get offended over something that doesn't really have anything to do with them but they get angry because it's the fashionable thing to do. What next? No more fashion week? No more Dream Boys? Oh no, because that's ok.

Angry ex-grid girl on BBC breakfast just now essentially saying thanks for loosing us our jobs, nobody bothered to ask us what we thought. You've got to laugh at the irony of feminists wanting to empower females with equality instead of exploitation getting other women the sack.

Yes, they've lost their jobs, and because we live in a society now where anybody who presents an opposing viewpoint on this is labelled as a fat hairy pervert and shouted at until they shut up, these women will no longer have this avenue as an income stream, some use it to pay their way through university, some do it for shits and giggles, but all of them had the choice of whether to do it or not and that choice has now been removed from them in the name of stopping exploitation because why? Are they saying these women are incapable of making decisions for themselves?

Even my wife says she wishes these femanists would stop forcing their views on everybody because they do not represent the majority of women, and are mostly only doing more harm than good.

STOP HAVING MODERATE OPINIONS MICHA, THIS IS TBK

I said it before, i don't give a damn about the grid girls per se, it is the mentality behind this kind of decisions that i can't stand. "Internet social justice warriors mentality" reddit style is the worst thing that can happen to actual social justice in first place.

also, there's no racing till march, there's not even testing or presenting new cars at the moment, what you want me to talk about, Raikkonen instagram?