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No one else is going to want to try after the Donington failure.

The most frustrating thing about all this is that the solution is obvious to most people (including former F1 designers!) outside of the vacuum chamber that Liberty and the teams live in:

- Bring back ground effects, starting the venturi behind the driver or a set distance in front of the rear wheels. Control it by defining the maximum height at the front and rear boundaries, and enforcing a maximum air volume. Let the aero guys have fun with the shape.

- Restrict the front wing to one main plane and one element on either side. Define the area of the elements to prevent their influence on the rest of the car, and make it clear that each element should have two defined sides which have a maximum thickness when viewed from the side, to rule out weird attempts at curving extra surfaces to simulate extra elements.

- Apply the same limits to the rear wing, albeit with a single main element. Endplates on both should be flat, with a defined thickness and uniform surface.

That's three simple rules, which I suspect would massively reduce the sensitivity to dirty air because both wings would be massively simplified. I posted a concept back in the Australian GP thread, but it's pretty easy to visualise and I think it looks alright:

I have no idea if the in-situ video of Hanoi streets F1 posted on Youtube is the most brilliant, or the most ridiculous thing ever. Just watch it. It's great.

I was interested at first when they talked about the Suzuka-like esses and the Beau-ravage parts of the circuit, but since those are going to be built from scratch rather than follow the natural curves of city streets, expect just a road course section within the city race.

Anyways I'm completely down for a 1.5km slipstream-fest like Baku has provided in the recent races. Might not deliver, but I'd rather be bored in a new place than in familiar places.

Since Monza 2017, I keep reading this phrase in Alonso's voice.

Followed by the urge to shout "KARMA!"

When the day comes that Liberty sells F1, I will be very happy but I'm afraid what F1 will be when that happens.

Not sure why there's so many negative comments towards a Vietnam race, this is afterall a world championship and the track looks pretty cool too.

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What is wrong with Liberty?

I see a lot of comments criticizing the inner politics and what happens behind curtains at a business level, but did we used to care as spectators/viewers/fans? When did we start to care about how meetings between F1 and teams are conducted or what the agenda of those meetings is?

I certainly don't give a crap. What I see from the outside is that the "show" part got much cooler: we have highlights and fun videos for free on Youtube, an online pay-per-view service, spectacular race coverage, and on-screen stats/facts. They showed that they care about the entertainement that they're delivering to us. Sure, racing may arguably be subpar, but that has been an on-and-off issue throughout history, even back when entertainment was non-existent and decades behind other popular sports and nothing of value was delivered to the viewers.

All of it is WAY better than it used to be under the austere, old, closed-off, elitist days of Bernie. Back when F1 reeked of old-man clothes smell.

bring back bernie

That aspect is light years ahead of what Bernie was doing yes and is everything I would expect a media/entertainment company to do....everything else? Short of dictating to the FIA what is actually going to happen going forward, they don't seem to have a clue.

Vietnam maybe a great place, but I hardly think wow, F1 is going to the great destinations. You can remove Bahrain and Baku from that list as well, and change the location of the Russian race.

The negative comments are probably from the ones who want Imola back on the schedule. That was a terrible race pretty much every year.

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I want the grid girls back!

and gravel at the Parabolica!

And thought Baku was going to be horrible (to be fair I fell into that category , but mainly because it clashed with Le Mans )

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I don't care if they had 20 races in the UK only. I don't care if the track is near one of the most beautiful cities of the world, or in a swamp. You don't see that during the race. I want 20 exciting races on nice tracks.
Hanoi looks 1. like nothing new, and 2. like it could be anywhere in the world.

You're so old-fashioned! We need gravel on the grid and girls at the Parabolica

so what about limiting the electricity use by racing teams, if they use more that 1 GWh per month their power are shut and they can't work their CFDs and wind tunnels

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Am I imagining things or did you just use light-years, a measure of distance, to express a time duration? Back in the days of capital punishment, this was an offense punishable by being catapulted light-years away from planet earth

MotoGP guys would love it, might encourage Marquez to crash a bit more.

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Vietnam track looks wide in many places:

Yeah, for that to happen F1 should take away any voting right for the teams and if they try to do that a whole bunch of them cry murder and pretend to leave. And when that happens the owners get scared and drop it so teams still have a say and as usual their say only benefits themselves so nothing will change and F1's future still looks bleak.