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Logano was damn nasty dirty driver on that backstretch, Kyle has all the rights to be mad at him. Not like him vs Kenseth, were Kenseth blocked 3 times and then went for a takedown on another race. That was all Kenseth wrongdoing.


Anyway, 3 races, 3 great finishes, Nascar delivers again, still best series to watch the end of the race over Indy and F1 hands down and the end is where it counts mostly for me. Good Job.

"He got loose"
My ass. He didn't like Kyle didn't take his bs blocking move with 2 and drove flat out in the corner to dump him , it's so blatant I don't even understand how some people can considerate it unintentionnal.

Kyle got a good shot in there before getting taken down.

FTFY

Needs 10 crew members piling on too

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I guess the cut was from the hood pin Busch got pushed onto since Joey never got a swing in, so much for his cocky "Kyle didn't connect with me" interview, that video is clear as day Kyle landed a quick right hook lol

Not quiet sure the on track incident was worth that though, but it does seem Joey is often the common denominator in these fights.

FTFY

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I agree



They're really only 1/3 so far. Plate races pretty much always guarantee the win is up for grabs until the last lap (and Daytona was even aided by fuel drama). Atlanta was legit between the 2 and 42. And today's finish was completely aided by whatever was going south with BK's engine.

IndyCar is better, even on a dull day like today.

Hilarious. At least Kyle made the post race worth checking out, as opposed to the race itself.

If this is how you look at things, your arguments have no validity. You're not supposed to run drivers up against a popularity value before you decide what happened in an incident.

Trying to pin someone behind a wounded car is really cheap, and really pretty dumb if you do it on the last lap. After seeing it a couple more times, I take back my implication that Keselowski had any blame. He was just holding his line against the wall. If he'd chosen to stay low it might have been fine but then he REALLY would have been in someone's way once he made it to the corner. It was really all Logano trying some cheap shit he should have known was going to cause a problem.

And I really think you need to have another look at Logano's punt. Yeah, his entry to three was shallow but he was well-cleared by Busch. Logano absolutely gassed it up to get back at Busch and dump him. The fact that he got loose was just a product of him trying to accomplish what he ended up doing. He flat out dumped the 18.

You don't get to be the arbiter of what arguments are valid or not. And for the record, the popularity value of kyle just added extra spice to the incident rather than anything to do with the crash itself.

Though judging by your reply to Dan, if you think Kyle body slamming Joey in the middle of a straight is acceptable driving, it's your arguments I'd call into question.

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I'm not the arbiter. Just pointing out facts. We can talk all day about the incident itself...but that would mean ditching the joy/disappointment you feel based on the drivers involved.

I don't think it was wise of Kyle Busch to cut down so hard but...was he just supposed to roll over because Logano put him in that position? It's not as if they were having a straight up race and Kyle just cheap-shotted his opponent. Logano made that situation sketchy and drama ensued because of it.

FWIW I don't really dig the fighting. And I'll admit right up front that I've never been in a literal, physical fight so maybe my view is tarnished because of that. But I'm not sure what good will come of NASCAR fostering this nearly "anything-goes" mentality on the track. I may have said it before, and I'm sure countless others have as well, but we've long since reached a point at which this garage area's idea of "self-policing" is ugly and dangerous as hell. They've already been lucky a few times not to have their anger result in something much more chilling than wrecked cars and the odd facial abrasion.

Nah,
Plate races pretty much always guarantee the win is up for grabs until the last lap, and Daytona was even aided by fuel drama!!!! One of the best things to always watch, and I like fuel drama, and that was one of the best in that sense.

Atlanta was legit between the 2 and 42 - one pure racing ontrack deal after a atomic bomb exploded with the Harvick penalty news.

"And today's finish was completely aided by whatever was going south with BK's engine." So what? I'll take it for sure, best finish of the year so far.

Indy is a snooze fest even on the best road course days for me. Never mind the dull ones.

the only drama that ever happens anymore is off track

I'm not taking a shot at NASCAR just for how Daytona and Vegas ended. Just countering the point you seemed to be making that it's somehow intrinsic to NASCAR races that these finishes were dramatic. The two I pointed out were purely circumstantial, irrespective of the series IMO.

More than fair, if you race me dirty, i'll race you dirty. But Kyle still was just seeking enough space to survive and then went back to racing fair on the turn. Logano was a total dick on the first move, and not content on showing that only he can be the God at the track and do whatever he wants, dumped Kyle Busch on turn 3 because only he can race anyone dirty.

If you can't see this, it's hard for anyone to give any credit for your arguments, being me, Chris or anyone the decider of it's validity or not.