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I don't really see the point of going back to a V8/10/12 engine formula just because of the noise. Noise & Volume should not be the determining factor in what engines are used, In fact I think the sound/volume should be at the bottom of the pile when determining engine format.

Let’s take the sound out of the equation & look at it from this perspective. The current power units are already producing more power than the V8’s & are about on-par with the V10/V12’s & are doing that despite been of a smaller capacity, Having less cylinders & using significantly less fuel, I just don’t see why everyone is so against that or simply opting to ignore that just because there so fixated on noise which has no bearing at all on anything that should matter (i.e. Performance).

F1 has to move forward, It can’t be stuck in the past with engine formats & somewhat outdated engine tech just because they are loud. The motor industry, The technology within it & society as a whole have moved on & it’s right for F1 to look forward & move on with it. Smaller capacity turbo’s with hybrid technology is the way the motor industry seems to be going, F1 can’t ignore that & I don’t think it’s fans should either.

I don't really see the point of going back to a V8/10/12 engine formula just because of the noise. Noise & Volume should not be the determining factor in what engines are used, In fact I think the sound/volume should be at the bottom of the pile when determining engine format.

Let’s take the sound out of the equation & look at it from this perspective. The current power units are already producing more power than the V8’s & are about on-par with the V10/V12’s & are doing that despite been of a smaller capacity, Having less cylinders & using significantly less fuel, I just don’t see why everyone is so against that or simply opting to ignore that just because there so fixated on noise which has no bearing at all on anything that should matter (i.e. Performance).

F1 has to move forward, It can’t be stuck in the past with engine formats & somewhat outdated engine tech just because they are loud. The motor industry, The technology within it & society as a whole have moved on & it’s right for F1 to look forward & move on with it. Smaller capacity turbo’s with hybrid technology is the way the motor industry seems to be going, F1 can’t ignore that & I don’t think it’s fans should either.

So I guess you guys are pretty stoked about the tumors, then

i agree. there is so much push for all-electric vehicles that the industry is nearly completely overlooking the fact that hybrid power units are more efficient all around and better performance.

allowing the manufacturers to pursue the current powertrains in F1 not only keeps the manufacturers interested, but also allows them to push these technologies into the marketplace.

culturally we will learn to associate different sounds with performance in time, but for now they'll just have to keep pumping engine sound through the speakers

How about no. This is wrong on all levels. Hybrid is good for one thing and one thing only; 'the feeling that you're doing something for the environment, while doing the exact oppisite'. A hybrid is the worst. It's a marketing thing, not a solution.


What? It's almost a last gasp resort before F1 really becomes a broadcasted hobby of the rich. Make no mistake, within ten years, most of us will travel by driverless car to work. Electric is the only way to go.


Haha, I can remember DTM 93 and also when Vettel was in his first year at Red Bull (at Spa). Dear lord. I remember the VW L3 Lupo's. What a ridiculous sound they made for the 'speed'. The DTM was almost horrifying and F1 was literally breathtaking.

I'm a practical dude. I understand the need for 'awesomeness', but wouldn't the fans adapt just as much as the drivers? I mean, if a car comes blasting by at 280 km/h at a gazillion decibells, how ist that better then a car that comes by at 350 km/h at half the decibells? I know that the one is more impressive then the other, but seriously, are we still impressed by impressions? I know a good story about WW2 if we're going that way....?

It would raise costs, big time.

Ferrari would spend an extra $100m investigating whether a V8 is better than a V10, then another $100m investigation if a W16 is better than a straight 7 and so on and so on.

Engine costs caps would be the best solution. Mercedes could spend $900m of their budget on engines but they're obliged to sell engines to other teams for a capped amount. It would reduce spending as the more money and effort they put into their engines the more they will be helping the competition.

So I guess you guys are pretty stoked about the tumors, then

I know this is heading off track, but being an automotive engineer who has extensively studied hybrid technology I'm fascinated as to how you've come to this conclusion.

You have to understand, general motorsport fans in general aren't exactly a sophisticated bunch (people like us are mostly at a higher level than that). Small things entertain small minds. F1 needs the loud cars, I still remember hearing conversations from supporters at the first race of the new gen in F1 in 2014 saying they'll never come back because the sound is gone. Grand prix was very exciting that year, it didn't matter.

I was very much in the corner of welcoming the new sound in 2014, but F1 needs loud cars back.

electric powertrains lose efficiency at the top end, exactly where combustion engines are most efficient. but electric vehicles are amazing off the line, unlike the combustion engine which loses most of its efficiency getting up to speed. the most exploitative powertrain that takes advantage of this principle is in the koenigsegg regera.

so long as cars need to reach freeway speeds they will be inefficient as all-electric vehicles. for people who live in the city that works great (but you should really be taking public transportation anyway). and as long as we are getting our electricity from fossil fuels its not going to change our footprint, if that is what is important to you. being more efficient allows us to use less of both.

Talks about Kimi's retirement begin 3..2..1..

Apparantly the Ultra Soft this year isn't worth a lot, meaning it's not really quicker than the softs.

Meaning there's no real "tyre-correction" needed when you watch the laptimes.

Also, what's the use of producing these tyres if there's no difference?

it's not that they want more clean f1. They want more clean every day cars and the development they do in f1 will once again find his way on everyday cars in the next years. and i think formula-e is almost as important under this aspect. how many cars you know that have a 3000cc V10?

That in combination with the new aero sounds great.

Hey but at least the cars look much better, oh wait.
Oh right, the drivers are happy because they can push all race long now

I predict a lot of first lap tyre changes by the lower order teams in the hope of a safety car (lol remember them? )

you have those hybrid engines on F1 cars... transported by regular diesel lorries and jumbo jets that also release lots of greenhouse gases

they just want to be environmental friendly to what is shown on cameras but they don't bother to increase air pollution behind the scenes

Why can't we allow V8s, V10s, and V12's in, too.

Your other post is even funnier as it makes it seem as if they don't use the SC to spice up the races and create fake results in the way, but quite the contrary

F1 has always been about purism over entertainment since it began

huh, this seems to have to relate to aerodynamics, not engine. And 'most efficient' is extremely relative. A combustion engine (if i recall correctly) will never get above 48% (?) while electric is easily above 90% and the motor itself at 98 or 99%. The battery technology is what makes the efficiency drop. Aka, weight.

In other news: Grass is green, water is wet and fire is hot.

And Ferrari pace is starting to scare me, I would like to see them on top after struggling for so many years, but I really prefer 2 teams or more near the top, not just a Mercedes substitute. Though Mercedes probably knows something now to catch-up - another thing to see how it goes.

McLaren stopped again.