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I've been made redundant three times in the past 10 years, so I'm very familiar with the shittiness of it. If I can move on and find better work 3 times over, I'm sure somehow the grid girls of F1 will survive. I do worry about Ian though.

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Ian-S wrote:
The difference between being made redundant and what has happened to the grid girls is being made redundant is usually due to financial reasons or your company going bust, the grid girls are a political decision to appease the vocal minority who got offended on the girls behalf, even though it's quiet clear if you read /speak to them they neither felt objectified or exploited.

If of course Liberty have got rid of them for other reasons, then that's a whole other can of worms they don't want to open.

If Liberty wanted to appease both sides, they should have left the decision up to the circuits, then made a decision after a set period about how to proceed, but Liberty didn't do that. Will be interesting to see if MotoGP/BSB/WTCC/BTCC follow the example or whether they follow the approach of some darts promotors who've told their Governing body to go fuck themselves and they'll only stop using walk on girls when the Government deem it illegal.


There are plenty of people in history who were making money out of things that we now deem unconscionable.
The only example I can think of at the top of my head would be slave drivers hundreds of years ago.
I'm sure there were plenty of people lamenting the fortunes of the poor slave drivers/chain makers when slavery was made illegal too

As said before, I doubt many of these girls had this as their sole employment. If they did, then they work for an agency who'll simply redeploy them to another event or if they were solo (unlikely) they probably have another income stream somehow

My only experience with them has been at the autosport intl show and motorcycle speedway walk on girls and during my conversations with them, none of them had it as their main job, just something extra they did for more money on top of their usual wage.

Still, this isn't going anywhere any more is it? The "OMG Politically correct brigade gone mad!" side is firmly entrenched.
Hopefully the world will continue making more progress, step by step, and they'll have to go with it or feel very left behind.

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I've been made redundant three times in the past 10 years, so I'm very familiar with the shittiness of it. If I can move on and find better work 3 times over, I'm sure somehow the grid girls of F1 will survive. I do worry about Ian though.


Why? Don't tell me, I need "educating"...


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Sorry, wrong thread, I thought this was about Formula One.

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In Brazil redundancy means talking about the same thing over and over again. In that sense, to say that this tread has being redundant its an understatment.


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Being made redundant because your company is doing restructures and/or can't afford you anymore (or if you suck in doing what you are paid for) are valid reasons. With the grid girls, they are losing their job because some people find it sexist. Some. Most don't. Including the grid girls. You can't compare that with "I was fired once but that happens". The background reasons are incomparable.


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F1 is under no obligation to provide pretty girls for you to gawk at.

And if you think that so-called minority can have that much influence on F1...

And besides, they're not losing their jobs. They're still working for their agency.


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Bernie totally opposed to the end of grid girls but he used the girls as advertising to the brands that filled him with money

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It's ok, they have decided to copy Formula E:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/adamcooperF1/status/960516083856928769[/tweet]

If anyone can find a reason to object to this, then I got nothing.


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gkmotorsport wrote:
It's ok, they have decided to copy Formula E:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/adamcooperF1/status/960516083856928769[/tweet]

If anyone can find a reason to object to this, then I got nothing.


I was just about to post the same. According to the article on MotorSport Online, the kids plus their families will be invited to attend the event and be on the grid...

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After ending the use of grid girls at the end of January, Formula 1 will now put children on the grid as drivers and engineers prepare for the race. The move, emulating that of football, has been undertaken by the FIA in order to appeal to families.

The children on the grid will be chosen by local motor sport clubs "on merit, or by lottery, and will be already be competing in karting or junior formulae," according to the FIA. Their immediate family members will also be invited to the race on Sunday. F1 and the FIA hope that the move will provide inspiration for the next generations to participate in motor sport.

“This will be an extraordinary moment for these youngsters: imagine, standing beside their heroes, watch as they prepare to race, the elite of the elite in motor sport, to be there, alongside them in those precious few minutes just before the start," said F1 managing director of commercial operations, Sean Bratches. "What an unforgettable experience, for them, and their families. An inspiration to keep driving, training and learning so that they can dream of one day being there themselves. What better way to inspire the next generation of Formula 1 heroes.”

The scrapping of grid girls at the end of January was a controversial move by Liberty, with some fans disapproving of the move, and the use of the new-for-2018 halo device, which will dramatically alter the look of the cars. What may be seen as growing pains in a motor sport which has long catered to older, hardcore fans and is only now stepping up efforts to bring in younger generations, is viewed as a divisive shift in emphasis. However, FIA president Jean Todt said that the opportunity will trigger a worldwide growth in motor sport interest – an area which F1 has struggled with in recent years.

“Formula 1 is the pinnacle of motor sport and the dream of every young racer competing the junior series that make up the FIA’s single-seater pyramid, from karting all the way to F1," said Todt. "We are therefore delighted to bring that dream a little closer by giving the future champions of our sport the opportunity to stand alongside their heroes on the grid in the build-up to the race start.

"For the wider FIA, this is an excellent initiative that provides additional support to our member ASNs in their efforts to grow motorsport worldwide through a unique reward they can make available to youngsters participating in their national series.”

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Great. Just when I grew up they do this.



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gkmotorsport wrote:
It's ok, they have decided to copy Formula E:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/adamcooperF1/status/960516083856928769[/tweet]

If anyone can find a reason to object to this, then I got nothing.


I was just about to post the same. According to the article on MotorSport Online, the kids plus their families will be invited to attend the event and be on the grid...

MotorSportMagazine wrote:
After ending the use of grid girls at the end of January, Formula 1 will now put children on the grid as drivers and engineers prepare for the race. The move, emulating that of football, has been undertaken by the FIA in order to appeal to families.

The children on the grid will be chosen by local motor sport clubs "on merit, or by lottery, and will be already be competing in karting or junior formulae," according to the FIA. Their immediate family members will also be invited to the race on Sunday. F1 and the FIA hope that the move will provide inspiration for the next generations to participate in motor sport.

“This will be an extraordinary moment for these youngsters: imagine, standing beside their heroes, watch as they prepare to race, the elite of the elite in motor sport, to be there, alongside them in those precious few minutes just before the start," said F1 managing director of commercial operations, Sean Bratches. "What an unforgettable experience, for them, and their families. An inspiration to keep driving, training and learning so that they can dream of one day being there themselves. What better way to inspire the next generation of Formula 1 heroes.”

The scrapping of grid girls at the end of January was a controversial move by Liberty, with some fans disapproving of the move, and the use of the new-for-2018 halo device, which will dramatically alter the look of the cars. What may be seen as growing pains in a motor sport which has long catered to older, hardcore fans and is only now stepping up efforts to bring in younger generations, is viewed as a divisive shift in emphasis. However, FIA president Jean Todt said that the opportunity will trigger a worldwide growth in motor sport interest – an area which F1 has struggled with in recent years.

“Formula 1 is the pinnacle of motor sport and the dream of every young racer competing the junior series that make up the FIA’s single-seater pyramid, from karting all the way to F1," said Todt. "We are therefore delighted to bring that dream a little closer by giving the future champions of our sport the opportunity to stand alongside their heroes on the grid in the build-up to the race start.

"For the wider FIA, this is an excellent initiative that provides additional support to our member ASNs in their efforts to grow motorsport worldwide through a unique reward they can make available to youngsters participating in their national series.”

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Looking at the comments on Facebook, I'm very glad that F1 is doing that much to attract new fans.


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Actually it's a good change if done right.


Just noticed the Williams documentary in the Netflix. That was a great one, I highly recommend to check it out. It's very deep and emotional, never expected something like that.

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Maybe if they had gone with that angle in the first place instead of that 'brand values' bollocks the reception would have been better?

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For a so called Media Company, Liberty haven't exactly been doing a sterling job of selling their version of F1 lately have they?

I mean, they probably had the Grid Kids idea already approved to replace the grid girls, but it just seems like this is a reactionary move to their surprise over the grid girls been taken away. Why didn't they just say this in the same announcement if it was already their plan? That just seems basic to me.

The skeptic in me though says that the grid kids will be gamed, and a few family members or friends of family members might get the lucky call.


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It's good for whoever gets to participate...sure, but that's about it.

All I know is I'd rather look at pretty women. Yeah I know, horrible of me to think in 2018. :roll: I enjoyed seeing the different clothing for each culture as well.


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As previuosly mentioned here, if you get the chance to watch the Williams documentary on Netflix, do. It is not a fluff piece that is for sure. Due to his bloody mindlessness Frank Williams sure wouldn't win any father of the year awards.

It is pretty confronting and contains a gem of a quote.

Interviewer: "Nelson thinks there was a bias towards Nigel because he was British".
Frank Dernie: "I think that is not true, there could have been, but Nigel was such an arse that it was very difficult to have an actual bias to him".

And this..."He (Mansell) was whinging on the radio and Patrick Head said on the radio "For fucks sake stop whinging Nigel" and turned his radio off" :D :D


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For a so called Media Company, Liberty haven't exactly been doing a sterling job of selling their version of F1 lately have they?

I mean, they probably had the Grid Kids idea already approved to replace the grid girls, but it just seems like this is a reactionary move to their surprise over the grid girls been taken away. Why didn't they just say this in the same announcement if it was already their plan? That just seems basic to me.

The skeptic in me though says that the grid kids will be gamed, and a few family members or friends of family members might get the lucky call.


You sure they did a bad job? The motorsport community literally hasn't stopped talking about it, it made front-page news all over the world, and then the slapped the controversy to one side with an idea that most people seem to actually like. It was a case study in 'any publicity is good publicity' tbh.


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All I know is I'd rather look at pretty women. Yeah I know, horrible of me to think in 2018. :roll: I enjoyed seeing the different clothing for each culture as well.


Well see there's this thing, been the rage for a while now, called pornography, where you get to look at pretty women in different clothing (some times none at all) of a huge variety of cultures. Quick internet search and you'll find it in no time :thumbsup:

You know that moment when you read something so utterly stupid that you can't find words to describe how stupid it really is? You want to start an argument against it, but your mind just can't get over the fact that someone really just said this? The brain gets stuck and all you can think are half sentences like "does he really think ... / Is this ... / How can he ... / What?". You know, when it is not a matter of opinions where you disagree but still see why he said that and he is clearly wrong for all the obvious reasons but that's life. No, just a feeling of remove yourself from the planet please.

They should come up with a term or something for that. Flabbergasted or bewildered are not quite there.


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Liberty is trying to De-Bernizate F1, I guess the next step is cancel all the contracts with tilkedromes and race only in traditional venues

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