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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:21 pm 
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Expected and deserved. Very few seats remain open for 2018 now, and we know who'll occupy them pending contracts. A very dull silly season.

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That's the trouble nowadays, no late driver signings.

Only Nico's random retirement made the last silly season any good.


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What a good silly season requires is multiple veteran drivers retiring, teams changing engines and swapping drivers. We have a lot of that coming up. Massa might now retire, Kubica might return. Kvyat is almost certainly out, as is Ericsson.

Next year it's possible that we see both Alonso and Räikkönen call it quits, Mercedes and Red Bull have four renevals or driver changes ahead too. And if Perez, Grosjean and Magnussen keep doing what they do now, who knows. And then there's the rumours by Eddie Jordan that Mercedes is about to quit after 2018 or something like that. Now that they have both drivers contracts expiring after the next season...who knows...although, the Mercedes AMG F1 hypercar is about to hit the markets in 2019, wouldn't make sense to quite on that moment. McLaren would benefit from making their own engines - both for road cars and race cars (GT, F1, Indy? WEC?).

Silly enough?

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Silly seasons were better when F1 had more teams and more drivers coming from support series

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The silly season 2008-2009 was the worst. Coulthard retired, Vettel took his position at RedBull, and some guy (Buemi?) took the seat at Toro Rosso. That was that, no other changes.


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It seems Renault has informed Red Bull they will terminate engine contract at the end of 2018 season

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formul ... -Bull.html


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krag wrote:
It seems Renault has informed Red Bull they will terminate engine contract at the end of 2018 season

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formul ... -Bull.html



Interesting. If Honda doesn't step up its game quickly F1 could lose Red Bull.


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Red Bull have been a lot less enthusiastic about F1 and their participation since the winning spree dried up. It seems like they've been looking at the exit door for a while, wondering when the right time to walk would be. Getting bumped from Renault engines they weren't happy with in the first place down to Hon-d'oh would probably be the trigger.

Liberty have a lot of work to do.


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Hence why there's RB sale rumours.

They do throw a hissy fit if their team doesn't win, look at NASCAR.


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The company behind the Valencia street circuit has put forward a proposal for revisions to the circuit in Buenos Aires.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2017/09/14/b ... eet-track/


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https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/palm ... nz-952757/

Let's hope he's wrong and the people at Renault finally grew some brains...


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StefMeister wrote:
The company behind the Valencia street circuit has put forward a proposal for revisions to the circuit in Buenos Aires.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2017/09/14/b ... eet-track/


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OS wrote:
Red Bull have been a lot less enthusiastic about F1 and their participation since the winning spree dried up. It seems like they've been looking at the exit door for a while, wondering when the right time to walk would be. Getting bumped from Renault engines they weren't happy with in the first place down to Hon-d'oh would probably be the trigger.

Liberty have a lot of work to do.

I was thinking the same thing. And even if they don't leave, both drivers are expecting a championship winning car. How can you realise that with an engine manufacturer which probably won't be invested 100 % in your team because a) they have the works team and b) they're leaving you at the end of the season.


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siggy wrote:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/palmer-renault-sepang-sainz-952757/

Let's hope he's wrong and the people at Renault finally grew some brains...


quite sure if he stays Renault will provide malfunctioning parts, hydraulic problems and messy pit stops

about Red Bull, quite sure Mercedes set only one more year for Bottas as they are looking forward to pick Verstappen as free agent after the demise of Red Bull

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Well, that backfired on Red Bull.


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StefMeister wrote:
The company behind the Valencia street circuit has put forward a proposal for revisions to the circuit in Buenos Aires.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2017/09/14/b ... eet-track/

That is an awful looking re-design.


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They're never going to learn, are they? Fine, change the run-off areas and barriers if you have to, but leave the track alone! I hope this modification doesn't happen.

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better stage a boring race at Termas de Río Hondo

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Weird. So Red Bull/Torro rosso helps Renault to get in at Mclaren and away from a complaining outfit and Renault stops supplying them? I don't follow that logic. I would love to hear that inside story from Renault's side. It's crunch time for Honda, but I doubt they will get anything reasonably working in another year. They pretty much redesigned their engine for this year, so back to year 0. I hope Honda will buy Torro Rosso, because they will suck balls next year. They'll go from respectable mid field team to what Mclaren is now...

Red Bull cannot seriously consider Honda in two years, that's fantasy considering the recent track record of Honda, unless the 2021 engines will be massively different. They can better give a basic Honda engine to Illmor and let Porsche pay for all the bills.


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From Renault's side it's simple. They don't like it when senior Red Bull figures correctly point out that the box of bolts turned out by the short bus conglomerate in Viry is not up to the standard that they are paying for, and they know that however badly they shit the bed next year it won't be worse than this year's Honda, therefore in McLaren they have a partner who will never critcise the engine.

It will be funny when Red Bull give Honda's engine to Mario Illen next January, he fixes the problems as he did with Renault last year, and then they spend the whole of 2019 making Abiteboul and co. look more stupid than usual.

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