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That would never happen.

Hopefully!

Ya that confused me too, I had to read it a couple times and was still thinking the same thing you are.

Yeah, how to interpret that exactly? If that means "the order which they qualified" doesn't that mean that if someone had a 10 spot grid penalty for engine change, he can actually line up to 1st instead of 11th because he actually qualified 1st but got a grid penalty that he already served in the actual start?

And the other part of this, "with no driver unfairly handicapped by losing the lead". If we get a safety car prior the last 10 laps, the guy from pole had conked out the start and is running 5th, 2nd and 3rd collided and had to pit on 1st lap and are now out of points while the guy from the 11th spot has climbed his way to 8th and a guy from the 9th is actually leading when the safety car is called because the team mate of 11th has "stopped on the track". So at this point the guy starting from 11th gets the 1st position, the pole guy is 2nd, the 2nd and 3rd are now 3rd and 4th and the guy from 9th is now 10th for the last ten laps? Isn't that quite unfair?

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I thought that rule was only going to apply in safety car starts, i.e. they'd do the safety car start, do 10 laps to clear the water (like they did in Brazil), then line up in grid order and do a standing start?

Imho anything is better than the current situation where the driver in the lead drops half a track length behind the pacecar and comes to an almost complete standstill and the hits the gas and gain an unfair advantage.

F1 started becoming less interesting to me around the time that tobacco sponsorship started to disappear.
Not that I am a smoker, but it has been a big part of the sports' history.

Come to think of it, didn't the F1 has standing re-starts after clean ups in the past called with red flag? And come to think of it, hasn't the FIA messed up the safety car implementations from the beginning? First they used it officially in 1993 Brazilian GP and it was Fiat Tempra. The second time was the San Marino GP 1994 and the car was as atrocious, this time being Opel Vectra. Now they've implemented the virtual safety car?

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Well, you could say the glorious days ended with tobacco sponsorship ban. Without doubt F1 would be much better if every team had unlimited resources. 200 test days, 100 engines, 50 spare cars. Of course that doesn't mean one team couldn't dominate for years, but at least there would be no reason for saving components, or parc ferme rules, or junior drivers not being able to test. If money was no problem, can you imagine what they could do?

EDIT: NVirkkula, you're right. I actually hate that a red flag in the first lap nowadays (like Kimi at Silverstone) will not have a standing restart. Wonder what was the reason for that rule change.

According to this the cars will form up on the grid in their "current order", which I presume means the order they would be in when the safety car peels off:
http://www.speedcafe.com/2016/11/26/f1-teams-agree-standing-restarts-2017/


Then again, Autosport and racer.com have said nothing about the order in which they will start, so who knows what's happening.

imagine if a race has been a snoozefest and they put an SC out for debris with 10 laps left just to get a standing start

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they'll pick the caution clock from Nascar and "improve" it

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Now that you mentioned the current red flag rules, where race is restarted behind a safety car, it's going to be even more stupid next year in red flag situation if it's due accident. There's going to be a virtual safety car first, then a real safety car, then a red flag, then all cars go to the pits, get repaired if possible, get new set of tires, restart again behind a safety car, then the start from the grid in some absurd order if grid penalties are concidered served on the actual start and if this is somewhere mid-race.

I think they changed the original red flag rules to this version because a red flag situation consumed more time than safety car situation. Well done fixing that, FIA.

edit: oh, forgot the "lapped cars may now overtake", VSC Delta-time, SC Delta-time and maximum distance to the car you are following. Oh and the tire rules goes down to the sink if it rains and strategy goes down as well when FIA mandates a tire what they must start. Which is either the Q2 tire or another tire depending on the weather changes. What a mess!

TL;DR: 2017 Red flag rules compared to the past.

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Still up to those goggle eyes tricks.

You forgot Ricciardo.

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No Baku/Le Mans clash and no Germany.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... mans-clash

Alonso to Le Mans