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And I'll ask again, when was the last time you saw an F1 driver hit on the head by a wheel?

Is the correct question to ask. The halo/canopy concepts aren't just designed to protect against wheels (although the halo is less likely to catch smaller debris).

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Well of course we all know the answer to that, however it is not relevant to Halo since Halo is an F1 project, not an Indycar, GP2, F4 or Formula Ford one.

Just because there might be an extremely rare situation where halo could have helped doesn't mean it justifies it.
There are also road accidents where the driver survived because he didn't wear a seatbelt but it's so rare we're not banning them.

I see the halo just like that. What it prevents is so rare. Up until the mid 90s drivers exposed so much but this never was an issue. And back then we had bigger grids and more crashes during the weekend.

I still see the halo as an obstruction when the car is upside down. And I can see it hindering needed medical attention when something big does hit it and still hits the driver.
The whole halo discussion flared up again after Bianchi's crash. The one crash where it would do jack shit.

If the FIA wants to convince me it better show me some truly independent, unbiased test results.

Actually I can remember single hit, luckily didn't end worse.

Well thanks for answering the original question, 22 years ago, anybody want to work ou those odds?

No Scotty, we're not blood thirsty animals who want to see bare chested drivers riding round with no belts, helmets or googles, we're just questioning the actual benefit of a device that's being introduced to solve a problem that doesn't exist and whether that device will cause more even more problems than it solves, to qoute Toto, it was only tested by 4 drivers, one complained of claustrophobia, one complained he coukdn't see and the rest didn't say much, so do those drivers who had issues find another job? you cannot legislate for every eventuality and make something 100% safe, despite what you may think.

But sadly as seems to be the norm nowadays, instead of coming back and with a legitimate counter argument based on facts, you resort to slinging around insults and label anybody who doesn't share your view as being a space cadet, I can imagine if we were having this conversation face to fasce, you'd be shouting at the top of your voice waving your arms around talking over anybody that doesn't share your view, instead of sctuslly discussing it.

Oh and the FIA hasn't convinced all the drivers, pretty sure i read that both Kimi and Seb were not keen on it and Seb especially said danger is part of the sport, Verstappen also said something similar. The mere fact that the strategy group have delayed it's introduction for the same reasons why everybody else is questioning it should tell you it's not as perfect a solution thst you seem to think it will be.

You can ridicule me all you want. It proofs you have no real counter arguments.
All drivers are behind it? Some of them only after a closed meeting last weekend. We don't know what has been said or what's shown.
What has been shown comes from the FIA sponsored research. The least they could do is release the shown video to the public so we can see the arguments instead of hearing snippets of it from third hand sources

The FIA don't have to satisfy you. They have to satisfy those that deal with the safety aspect of F1. They have to keep moving forward with safety, the last time they got complacent because 'things weren't happening' we had that dark weekend at Imola. Then we had Monaco as well. Just because it hasn't happened, doesn't mean it won't. That's where complacency comes in and a driver gets hurt or worse. Cockpits have closed up massively, you can't deny that and right now a very vulnerable part of the drivers body still sticks out. No a driver hasn't been hurt by debris since '09 but freak accidents can and will happen.

You cannot prevent freak accidents.

And when will there come enhanced safety for marshalls who don't or barely get paid?

When the FIA gets its head out of its arse

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Bianchi crash was a series of unfortunate happenings, is they placed safety bumpers on the tow vehicles, if they throwed SC and if they called the day because of lack of light none of this would had happened

but the FIA insists is driver's fault, so they must do something to show something is getting done and with that they get away with murder

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No, it's not engineering. It's politics.

I've barely ever encountered someone with such an inability for a discussion. You're using the same automated and reactionary reasoning process like tabloids do.

TBK wars...part 2! lol

How we should all look and feel discussing F1.



How we actually are when discussing F1.

I'm much disappointed, I was really expecting a pack of wolves tearing an animal apart

And therefor I don't trust their own research into the Halo. If they're willing to bend the truth so much that they clear themselves of any blame in Bianchi crash.

Slightly off-topic, but Channel 4 have found this pic of Vettel testing 2017 tyres and proto-17 aero today:



It looks alright, but we all know the racing is going to back to early-2000s standards of cars washing out when they get within 2 seconds of the one ahead

they need to take downforce away, not be adding it

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Just go back to the early 90's wings. Simple, no fugly winglets and less dirty air.

+1. The big increase in mechanical grip from the tyres is completely cancelled out by the aero increase. If they left the wings as they were, or (much better) massively restricted them, the cars could follow more closely.

They did actually clamp down on rear wings some time ago, by limiting the number of elements allowed. They need to do the same with the front wings, because they all now have these amazing works of art that probably stop working in less-than-perfect airflow.