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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:34 pm 
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Fabs wrote:
[quote="kals"]Maybe I've missed something then because I haven't really heard or seen many / any complaints about tyres recently.

Isn't that because it's already a known issue and drivers can't be bothered about complaining?[/quote]

Perhaps. Or maybe it's like Omega says and it's just part of the way drivers are racing now. It could be because the drivers were told not to complain about Pirelli after the Belgian GP. It maybe because like with every season, the drivers and teams understand the tyres part way through the year and now it's a non-issue.

Whatever it is, I prefer this type of racing (most of the time) that Pirelli gives us versus what Bridgestone provided. But. I'd much prefer what Codename mentioned, which is a tyre war where two manufacturers are fighting against each other. But that we can only dream about.

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Agreed, the Pirelli era is much better but if there's a better way of doing it and not what they are doing now as nea reported, I would be open to that.


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What is this car?



I knew they would/have...but they have killed the only 2 redeeming things about this track. The esses are just the most bland and samey bunch of corners around, instead of being unique, challenging & instantly identifiable. They look like they could be from Korea, Austin or India and have the same specified radius as the just mentioned tracks.


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don't let FIA know about that or it'll be mandatory in every track

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LucasWheldon wrote:


don't let FIA know about that or it'll be mandatory in every track



That shit would break up faster than Taylor Swift

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:35 am 
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The altitude is gonna be a massive challenge, nobody has raced an F1 car at 7,000 feet for a long time.


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Scotty wrote:
I don't mind what they've done to the Mexico circuit.

I'm not stirring shit here, but I think its brilliant. The stadium will bring some great racing, it reminds me of the last few corners at Turkey, even pre-DRS there was some good racing there. Nobody should care about the sharpened radii of corners, cars still corner them the same way.


I agree. The overall character of the circuit remains, and the baseball stadium section looks like an improvement on what Champ Car used. I think they've done a pretty good job given that bringing the old corners up to F1 standard would have been impossible, run-off wise.

From a TV perspective, the stadium section will look amazing if they actually sell out the seats.


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mclaren2008 wrote:
The altitude is gonna be a massive challenge, nobody has raced an F1 car at 7,000 feet for a long time.


only Mark Webber has, did not work out well

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The circuit layout is better than I was expecting, the corners aren't as squared off as the original track maps suggested. I'm not massive fan of the stadium section but that part is barely different from the ChampCar days.

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if they kept Peraltada, most cars wouldn't be able to overtake in straights, all they did was an adaptation to F1

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How does Mercedes' dominance of F1 compare to previous eras?
Tuesday, October 13th 2015, 11:16 GMT

After Mercedes wrapped up another Formula 1 constructors' championship in the Russian Grand Prix, Nico Rosberg suggested it now matched the famous periods of dominance by McLaren, Williams and Ferrari.

With Lewis Hamilton also poised to secure a second straight drivers' crown, Mercedes certainly has a case to suggest it should be considered alongside the McLaren-Honda team of the late 1980s, the Williams-Renault combination of the early 1990s and Ferrari with Michael Schumacher at the start of the 21st century.

"I've seen this team grow since the start of the Silver Arrows project in 2010 and the level we've got to now, all working together, is unbelievable," said Rosberg.

"There were some really tough years at the start but we are now the big team of Formula 1 - dominating the sport and breaking records along the way.

"When people think of F1 throughout history, it's only a handful of teams like McLaren in the 80s, Williams in the 90s and Ferrari in the 2000s that come to mind - and we are now making our own mark on that list."

So how do the current Mercedes team's achievements compare to the legendary runs Rosberg cites?

MERCEDES IN 2014/15 (so far):

Wins: 28 from 34 - 82%
Poles: 32 from 34 - 94%
Laps led: 1668 of 2030 - 82%

McLAREN-HONDA 1988/89

McLaren set the benchmark for F1 dominance when the Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost partnership won 15 grands prix out of 16 in 1988, but it faced greater opposition from Ferrari and Williams the following year.

Wins: 25 from 32 - 78%
Poles: 30 from 32 - 94%
Laps led: 1748 from 2070 - 84%

There's an argument for extending the 'McLaren era' to 1991, given that its string of constructors' titles lasted until then while Senna also claimed his second and third drivers' crowns.

But by 1990 Prost had joined Nigel Mansell at an ever stronger Ferrari, while Williams was in the ascendance the following year.

McLaren stats for full 1988-91 period:

Wins: 39 from 64 - 61%
Poles: 52 from 64 - 81%
Laps led: 2878 from 4102 - 70%

WILLIAMS-RENAULT 1992/93

As McLaren and Honda faded, Williams took a stranglehold on F1 with the help of Renault engines, rising aerodynamic star Adrian Newey and by mastering technologies such as active suspension and traction control better than rivals. Nigel Mansell and Alain Prost took a championship apiece, but Senna and McLaren's efforts limited Williams's overall win rate.

Wins: 20 from 32 - 62.5%
Poles: 30 from 32 - 94%
Laps led: 1540 from 2081 - 74%

Though Williams remained one of F1's main forces to the end of 1997 (and claimed further titles with Damon Hill and Jacques Villeneuve), Michael Schumacher, rule changes and Senna's death meant its absolute dominance lasted only two seasons.

FERRARI 2000-04

Michael Schumacher led Ferrari to a half-decade of dominance at the turn of the century, ending the Scuderia's title drought in emphatic style with a string of drivers' and constructors' crowns.

With Ferrari unbeaten in the title races throughout those five years, it's fair to take its stats from the entire period:

Wins: 57 from 75 - 76%
Poles: 51 from 75 - 68%
Laps led: 1168 from 2140 - 55%

But as McLaren was still a strong threat in 2000/01 and the Williams-BMWs of Juan Pablo Montoya and Ralf Schumacher had a title shot in 2003, Ferrari could argue Mercedes should be aiming for its benchmarks from its most commanding campaigns in 2002 and '04, when its win rate was 85 per cent.

The relatively low pole rate is skewed by the fact qualifying took place with race fuel-loads from 2003 onwards, allowing several underdogs running lighter to upstage the Ferraris on Saturdays. However, even before then McLaren (in 2000) and Williams (in '02) had often shown better single-lap pace but failed to translate it to wins.

SHOULD ROSBERG HAVE GIVEN RED BULL SOME CREDIT?

While the McLaren, Williams and Ferrari periods of dominance are already in F1 legend, Rosberg could also have looked at Red Bull's more recent title run with Sebastian Vettel from 2010-13.

But despite the impression of dominance at the time, the Vettel/Red Bull combination was not as untouchable as those above.

Red Bull's 2010-13 win rate was 'only' 54 per cent, or 66 per cent if its most dominant two seasons - 2011 and '13 - are considered in isolation.

Its pole rates were 68 per cent for the whole period or 86 per cent for 2011 and '13 only, and it led 51 per cent of all laps from 2010-13.

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this

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Speedworx wrote:
What is this car?



Bit late, but it's this:



No idea what it was originally - some kind of Footwork or Arrows maybe? In any case, it has been around for several years:

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Pirelli have a similar-looking one running at CoTA, which is a modified EJ14:

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Oh, turns out there are two, both run by these people:

http://www.lrs-formula.com/en/45-lr3s-f ... ree-seater

One has a Cossie V8 (which would be the one in the video), and the other a Peugeot V10.


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I think one of the biggest problem with the Pirelli-era has been how slow the tyres have been because there not been designed to be the best they can be in that area & for a 'sport' that is supposed to be about the pinnacle of engineering & pushing things to the limits thats always been something with these tyres that i've hated, Especially when you see how much tyre management is been required.

If Pirelli produced the best tyres they could rather than having to worry about degredation & all that the cars would probably be 2+ seconds a lap faster immediately. And with drivers able to push the tyres harder in both qualifying & the races it would be a far better spectacle than a lot of what we see now with drivers cruising around managing everything to the level they are.

There seems to be a consensus that the cars need to be faster & tyres seems like 1 area where a lot of gains could be made without having to worry about throwing more aero on the cars.


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I disagree that tyres you can push throughout will improve racing. We had tyres for years that could be pushed but there was hardly any overtaking.

Aerodynamics, aerodynamics and once again aerodynamics are the evil that have slowly been destroying F1 since 2000.


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Fabs wrote:
Aerodynamics, aerodynamics and once again aerodynamics are the evil that have slowly been destroying F1 since 1977.


at least with tyres that you can push you'll be able to see the full potential of some cars, of course if they throw away that fuel management bulshit and engine limits

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Really thinking its a concerted plot to kill F1 now. Its gotten to a point beyond incompetence right?

http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/138 ... gines-2016


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LucasWheldon wrote:
Fabs wrote:
Aerodynamics, aerodynamics and once again aerodynamics are the evil that have slowly been destroying F1 since 1977.


at least with tyres that you can push you'll be able to see the full potential of some cars, of course if they throw away that fuel management bulshit and engine limits


Willing to bet that if pirelli brought tyres that never degraded that fuel saving would be the next issue that is ruining the sport.

Teams will always underfuel expecting a sc. It's more than just the field being compressed back together that makes races wih sc's more interesting, its also because he drivers can push flat out without having to worry about fuel too

In he previous era races were exciting at the start (because everyone knew you couldn't pass so were more desperate off the grid) then the only other position changes were via the undercut due to refueling and aero dynamics ruining the racing.

These days races aren't great but they tend to get more exciting towards the finish as the conservative strategies are usually gobbled up by those on fresher tyres.

It's not perfect and it still needs improvement, but I'm still much more satisfied by this era than I ever was in 1994-2009

People who moan about f1 being dull now either forget/weren't watching the 00s

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