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I agree with this. Don't know if it's safer but it does sound a lot better.

And this is a discussion board where new tarmac apparently still brings up a discussion and still makes people want to express their opinion. Let them and don't whine about it.

It's not safer to invert them, it's worse: car digs in gravel at speed, rest of the barrel rolls happens on hard rock tarmac instead of gravel that dampens it a bit (especially when it lands straight on the roll hoop).

Not that I like tarmac run offs either. I loved gravel retirements, and gravel flips look really, really cool. It's something I miss from the past.

Yes I said it the wrong way, I meant 'Don't think it's safer' because I think you are right. And after a barrel roll caused by the gravel the car can slide real quick on the tarmac when it's upside down, towards the barriers.

I thought this last part happened with Webber as well but I just watched it again and he was normally positioned when he went into the tyres:

They wouldn't dare to run over the outside kerbs as it would damage the skirts so I am sure a lot of cars didn't go off the track a lot at that time.

And that's something we need. A reason not to go over the runoff area. Back in the days it was gravel and/or high curbs. Now it's nothing.

Ground effect would be a good solution to reduce the dirty air. The FIA just have to find a balance so it won't be as extreme as in the 80's.

Paddy Lowe reckons he's taken Mercedes GP "to the next level" - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/115310

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During the Bahrain weekend Anthony Davidson made a point that he thinks more exit kurbs should be like the kurb on the exit of turn 8 at Bahrain.

He said that while it looks as flat as kurbs elsewhere its actually configured in a way that naturally stops you going too far over it.
http://youtu.be/haTWiuZcSg8?t=26s

Going back & watching OnBoards from Bahrain over the years, It does seem to be a kurb which people try to stay away from much more than others.

Yeah, but then again, it's a slow speed corner, so you need much mechanical grip which vanishes on serrated kerbs. If this kerb was on the exit of a faster corner, they'd also go wide over it. I think the track edges as well as the mandatory FIA kerbs have to be reconsidered. I'm still a fan of (at least one stripe) of grass next to the track. If you go wide there, you loose traction and collect dirt on your tyres. Plus, it looks spectacular when they kick up the dust.

do they still make this kind of kerb?



anyway that's my proposal and I dunno its gonna be taken into account

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No, because the FIA only allows for 3 kinds of kerbs (4 if you add the sausage kerb). Melbourne (for the exit of a corner, max. 5cm below circuit up to circuit level), Vallelunga (for the apex, 5-10cm above track level) and Bevelled (Smooth). This is also the reason why all the tracks look and feel the same, they have to use the same kerbs.

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Here the link to the actual guideline http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/ ... 2012_0.pdf

tarmac all the way round. What does that do to improve safety? drivers are just gonna use that tarmac at the exit to get a better exit. It was exiting to see drivers run at the outside of that corner just next to the grass. a mistake and you got sucked into the gravel. Now you can just run it wide when you get it wrong (like 130r and blanchimont, all the challenge is taken out of the corner)

So they tarmac'd over that strip as well.


Must resist complaining... D:

I think you mean to say...

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That too.

it has nothing to do with safety, fia dont want cars to get stuck in the gravel anymore

Glad Dieter was able to get a track trough with quite some graveltraps, so there is still hope...

People used to complain that perfectly good cars got stuck in the gravel and retired. All they should have done was allow outside assistance like in Indycar.

The tarmac runoff itself doesn't really bother me & as I pointed out yesterday it seems to it was more for the bikes than F1.

However they should have left a 1.5m strip of grass between track & runoff, At least on the exit which could be a bit of a challenge & I expect would have been more so with the additional torque & lower downforce of the 2014 cars.

I guess we can still hope that they will at the very least enforce track limits, Although been able to put most the car over the white line onto tarmac is already easier than when there was the strip of real grass.