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It's a shame because all around the world, national racing organisations have all consolidated sportscar racing into one class where there is great racing from a diverse group of cars with diverse layouts, looks, and sounds. GT Masters, British GT, French GT, Aussie GT all have really nice fields, and while we do have that with PWC, it'd be nice if that could be the "big show", GTE and GT3 might not make all the wounds heal, but at least it stops the bleeding.


You can't have Sebring and Daytona (or Le Mans, that is) with GTs only. Even during those transitional periods when prototype rules constantly changed, there have always been prototype-style cars competing the classic endurance races. Just look at early DP cars, the most pathetic excuses for a prototype ever, or early WSC cars, which were Group C cars with a sawed off roof.

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fede999 wrote:
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It's a shame because all around the world, national racing organisations have all consolidated sportscar racing into one class where there is great racing from a diverse group of cars with diverse layouts, looks, and sounds. GT Masters, British GT, French GT, Aussie GT all have really nice fields, and while we do have that with PWC, it'd be nice if that could be the "big show", GTE and GT3 might not make all the wounds heal, but at least it stops the bleeding.


You can't have Sebring and Daytona (or Le Mans, that is) with GTs only. Even during those transitional periods when prototype rules constantly changed, there have always been prototype-style cars competing the classic endurance races. Just look at early DP cars, the most pathetic excuses for a prototype ever, or early WSC cars, which were Group C cars with a sawed off roof.

And they could invite the P-Cars for certain races, if they checked their ego at the door.

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fede999 wrote:
You can't have Sebring and Daytona (or Le Mans, that is) with GTs only. Even during those transitional periods when prototype rules constantly changed, there have always been prototype-style cars competing the classic endurance races. Just look at early DP cars, the most pathetic excuses for a prototype ever, or early WSC cars, which were Group C cars with a sawed off roof.

Other than historical reasons and this point those mean little considering how turbulent it has been for past 25 years, that does not really answer "why". :roll: Is Sebring/Daytona going to be better if they have 40 GT cars and couple of private P cars? It's only going to be worse as the attention is steered away from the actually healthier and more competitive class. That was pretty much the case already the last years of ALMS.


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You can't have Sebring and Daytona (or Le Mans, that is) with GTs only. Even during those transitional periods when prototype rules constantly changed, there have always been prototype-style cars competing the classic endurance races. Just look at early DP cars, the most pathetic excuses for a prototype ever, or early WSC cars, which were Group C cars with a sawed off roof.

Other than historical reasons and this point those mean little considering how turbulent it has been for past 25 years, that does not really answer "why". :roll: Is Sebring/Daytona going to be better if they have 40 GT cars and couple of private P cars? It's only going to be worse as the attention is steered away from the actually healthier and more competitive class. That was pretty much the case already the last years of ALMS.


"Historical reasons" are the only point behind racing at outdated tracks like Sebring, Le Mans and Daytona.

So why even when "the healthier and more competitive classes" weren't made of the sport-prototype type cars (Group 5 era or post-Group C/BPR), teams and manufacturers mostly relied on prototypes (which in some cases didn't race elsewhere) for an overall win in the aforementioned races?

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So why even when "the healthier and more competitive classes" weren't made of the sport-prototype type cars (Group 5 era or post-Group C/BPR), teams and manufacturers mostly relied on prototypes (which in some cases didn't race elsewhere) for an overall win in the aforementioned races?

I'm not only talking about grid numbers but quality. Has there ever been compatively similar era where the greatest manufacturer team interest is in a GT class?

(answering question with question... :p)


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Well Pickett should be annoyed. He's bought expensive cars (the P1 car as well), been told they can't use them anymore because it's unfair to the teams with the slower cars. So he's went to another car, which is still expensive, has to slow it down, and then the DP teams with cheaper cars complain that they have to spend money to speed their cars up, only to be given a very clear advantage over the fast and more expensive cars.

Pickett is going through what Audi went through. Spend money, be the best...have your car neutered to be slower than the people with cheaper cars. Why bother at that point?

wat.

TUSC spec P2's are more powerful than ACO P2's.


Oh come on, don't play daft. Power isn't everything. Good P2 teams are qualifying 2-3 seconds slower than the BAD P2 teams last year. The cars are slower. Power compared to current ACO regulations has nothing to do with it. BOP is what it's about, and NASCAR is favouring the DPs every race.

At LB the P2's were quicker than last year.


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deggis wrote:
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So why even when "the healthier and more competitive classes" weren't made of the sport-prototype type cars (Group 5 era or post-Group C/BPR), teams and manufacturers mostly relied on prototypes (which in some cases didn't race elsewhere) for an overall win in the aforementioned races?

I'm not only talking about grid numbers but quality. Has there ever been compatively similar era where the greatest manufacturer team interest is in a GT class?

(answering question with question... :p)


Yes, I'd say in the second half of the 70s (Group 5) and 90s (BPR/FIA GT). But when you consider Le Mans, the big names always raced on prototypes.

As for Sebring/Daytona, after having been classic races for the WSC in its heyday during the late 60s-early 70s, you have to get back to the late 70s-early 80s to find starting fields with GTs only, when they were IMSA GT races. But since GTP (i.e. Group C ) cars came to be, they've always been prototype conquering ground.

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Oh boy.

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Panoz Developing DeltaWing Road Cars

he unique DeltaWing concept could soon be headed to the streets, as Don Panoz has revealed plans to develop two street-legal versions of the lightweight, fuel efficient vehicle that currently competes in the TUDOR United SportsCar Championship.

In an interview with FOX News, Panoz and DeltaWing President and Chief Operating Officer Al Speyer confirmed plans for a two-seater GT car, as well as a four-seater family car version of the car, based off the same principles of Prototype class car.

“All of [the race technology] can be transferred to a street car that consumers can drive every day on the street and have a more efficient use of energy and still be a really hot car to drive,” Speyer told FOX News.

“[The design] halfway in between. I’d say it’s not quite as radical as the race car is right now. We’re working with other partners and looking for other partners. That final design will depend somewhat on where they see it going.”

Panoz said the two-seater GT car has been designed to be 35 percent lighter, 35 percent more fuel efficient and require 35 percent less horsepower than cars in its performance category.

The family vehicle, meanwhile, has performance goals of 0-60 mph in six seconds, with a top speed of 130 mph and fuel consumption of 71 mpg.

Additionally, both platforms could be developed to accommodate a range of internal combustion and and alternative fuel powertrains.

Panoz said the cars would likely not be built under the Panoz name but they are instead looking for an OEM to partner with.

“We’re pretty well through the design process,” Panoz added. “All of the drawings, the space, the packaging, to accommodate a car with this unusual shape, air conditioning, windscreen wipers, that’s all been done.

“We’re looking for the right partner. They have to finish the outer design. I’d have to say it’s 95 percent finished.


http://sportscar365.com/industry/panoz- ... road-cars/

He got ideas after seeing the Nissan Bladeglider?

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No problem with that. He can't force people buy that like he can force people to watch the DW in races. :lol:


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That's just a bigger Sinclair C5 with space for two passengers.

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kals wrote:
That's just a bigger Sinclair C5 with space for two passengers.


Even Senna drove/ridden in one during his Lotus days.


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That's just a bigger Sinclair C5 with space for two passengers.


Even Senna drove/ridden in one during his Lotus days.


The C5 was a great piece of innovation in the 80's so that's not a surprise and pretty cool (would love to see a picture of that). 30'ish years later it is inspiring "new" cars.

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Yikes, that could have been nasty.

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