2013 Random F1 Discussion

aerogi · PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:03 pm

Schumifan wrote:

Am I the only one who thinks that this whole situation has been caused more by the FIA's shitty rule writing than anything else? Time and time again they write rules with massive gaping loopholes and then wonder why teams try to exploit them.

I don't know. Mercedes should have just said to all the other teams about their intent to test the Pirelli tyres.

I mean, seems only logical to me.

kals · PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:07 pm

Why should Mercedes have told the other teams about the intention to test? Afterall the precedent was set by Ferrari who didn't do the same the previous two times they tested, correct?

RtN · PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:28 pm

Schumifan wrote:

Am I the only one who thinks that this whole situation has been caused more by the FIA's shitty rule writing than anything else? Time and time again they write rules with massive gaping loopholes and then wonder why teams try to exploit them.

Dingdingdingdingding.

For this reason and this reason alone the FIA could not have fairly punished Mercedes beyond what they have done. Mercedes exploited a grey area in the rules, and even tried to get it cleared up without success.

Anyway, it has all led to a better situation next year for whoever is making the tyres next year (whether it be Pirelli or Kwik-Fit), which is good.

kals wrote:

Let's not forget that in 2007 McLaren were originally let off from the charges that were brought against them, then Ferrari appealed and we all know what happened next.

What I'm saying is, that if that Mercedes penalty is correct then I don't expect we've seen / heard the last of this.

The only reason the Spygate appeal led to anything at all was because Alonso is a lying fuck who withheld important information at the first hearing and Ron Dennis is a man of integrity who decided to give that information to everyone as soon as he found out, consequences be damned.

So unless Lewis or Nico are sitting on something explosive, this is the end of this affair.

RtN · PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:35 pm

The Tribunal has ruled that all parties acted in good faith and without intention to break the rules.

Quote:

Having taken all such matters into account, the
Tribunal makes the following findings:

(1) The track testing, which is the subject of these proceedings, was not
carried out by Pirelli and/or Mercedes with the intention that Mercedes
should obtain any unfair sporting advantage.

(2) Neither Pirelli nor Mercedes acted in bad faith at any material time.

(3) Both Pirelli and Mercedes disclosed to FIA at least the essence of what
they intended to do in relation to the test and attempted to obtain
permission for it; and Mercedes had no reason to believe that approval
had not been given .

(4) The actions taken on behalf of FIA by Charlie Whiting (having taken
advice from the legal department of FIA) were taken in good faith and
with the intention of assisting the parties and consistent with sporting
fairness.

Puts to rest the hysterical 'WORST CHEATS EVA!!!!1' line of thinking.

MaTT · PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:36 pm

Indeed.

You kind of wish the FIA could fine themselves sometimes.

aerogi · PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:40 pm

kals wrote:

Why should Mercedes have told the other teams about the intention to test? Afterall the precedent was set by Ferrari who didn't do the same the previous two times they tested, correct?

not with the current car. Which in my opinion is a whole different story.

And yes Ferrari should have told everyone the same too.

Because the wole world that is following F1 knows that the basic rule is: 'testing during the year' is not allowed. It was one of the biggest changes in recent F1 history.

It's simple as that. It's like you are not allowed to drive through a red light, but that you can if nobody knows about it and you don't tell anyone.

ryan86 · PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:42 pm

I remember saying something similiar about this is 2007 when the Saubers and the Williams were found with that dodgy fuel and the ramifications that may have. You had situations where cars were disqualified and everyone moved up, disqualifications where places were left empty, drivers keeping their place, but the constructors penalized etc. etc. There's been so many rule changes and clarifications that the whole thing seems bloated, but at the same time lightweight.

RtN · PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:49 pm

MaTT wrote:

Indeed.

You kind of wish the FIA could fine themselves sometimes.

They kind of have by agreeing to pay their own court costs despite winning the case.

webbsy · PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:55 pm

That is a nothing punishment really. Once again the FIA has scored an own goal, first with their own shoddy contradictory rules and then the tribunal that was looking like it was going to come down hard on Merc only to slap them with a feather.

Can the FIA charge themselves for bringing the sport into disrepute? Would be an epic argument of ineptness....

aerogi · PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:00 pm

so can anyone now just have this kind of tyretest in the future? With the same punishment?

Tobias · PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:06 pm

I wonder what would happen if F1 had the race scheduled for this weekend in Singapore.

Mika Kimi · PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:25 pm

aerogi wrote:

so can anyone now just have this kind of tyretest in the future? With the same punishment?

If they are asked by Pirelli, I think yes.

kals · PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:01 pm

I love how laughably simplistically some people are looking at this.

No, an event like this cannot and will not happen again. Yes, Mercedes did get off lightly but that was only thanks to the issues concerning the FIAs own rules and red tape about testing being conducted by Pirelli.

[obscure humour]About Mercedes punishment. It says they cannot run at the Young Driver Test, so perhaps Pirelli can run them instead?[/obsure humour]

codename_47 · PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:20 pm

Tobias wrote:

I wonder what would happen if F1 had the race scheduled for this weekend in Singapore.

Or Brazil, if you're thinking like that.

Fabs · PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:38 pm

Horner is probably furious lol :lol:

RtN · PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:32 pm

If he is, he hides it well;

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/108191

Ferrari, on the other hand...

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/108196

Quote:

It is somewhat perplexing to say the least to see that the guilty party can get away virtually scot free for having derived 'an unfair sporting advantage,

phil1993 · PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:51 pm

Fabs wrote:

Horner is probably furious lol :lol:

I saw him today, he was in a jovial mood.

Fabs · PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:16 pm

Really? He seemed the team principal who was the most pissed off with this entire saga.

phil1993 · PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:19 pm

Fabs wrote:

Really? He seemed the team principal who was the most pissed off with this entire saga.

Yeah, he was fine, but I guess he was putting it to the back of his mind for a while.

Mäth · PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:42 pm

StefMeister wrote:

Renault also released a recording of the engine:
http://www.renaultsport.com/Come-on-fee ... ml?lang=fr

Sounds a lot like the early Turbo-era turbos

TBK-Light.com

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