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But again, surely Vettel's comments that he didn't even see Button invalidate any argument that he was forced off the track. Both sides have made comments which won't help their case.

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It's a hard one to judge. Many drivers have used the extra run off as an advantage in the past. Raikkonen has done it more than once coming out of La Source on the first lap of Spa in the past most likely to gain an advantage.

The problem with that is the camera above (cat cam?) showed them completely alongside before Vettel went off the track. Vettel actually had a nose ahead. So he can't actually see beside him by that point.

I know how it works thank you, the point I was making was that because of how the Australia incident was very team/driver communication related it wouldn't matter quite as much what the team think in this situation and the drivers and as you rightly say the data can do the talking.

Let's put it another way - had Vettel ran Jenson off the road like that, would Jenson have lifted off? Hell no. Lewis defiantly wouldn't. Christ, Lewis would have been on the old KERS too. Not 1 single driver would have lifted off in that position, and nor should they.

Absolutely spot on ellis.

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But would they have run off like that though? That's the difference.

If Hamilton is faster, he has all right in the world to unlap himself.

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Yes, now you're over analysing the matter.



Now this is pathetic by Vettel. Hamilton had every right to do what he did. At no point did Lewis refuse to be lapped. Quite the opposite in fact.

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There was no real need for him to go off the track as he had a car's width on the track (just) and a bit more on the kerb if he had two wheels on it and even if had Vettel kept to the track entirely I very much doubt Button would have crashed into him. Button only started to use the limits of the track after Vettel angled his car towards the run off, which the heli-cam showed was well before it was clear to Vettel that he had no room (which in all fairness, i'm not even sure he has personally argued that he had no room, just whether Button was on the inside or not)

Lewis did nothing wrong. If Vettel was so much faster, why did Lewis and Alonso pull away from him straight away?

As for the hairpin incident, it's a tough one to call. You can't judge it alone on the final screenshot, because that looks like Button has forced him over. In my opinion, Vettel has already decided that he's taking that run off, about half way through the corner. That gives him a far better exit off the corner which helps to complete the pass. That's where it's wrong.

And yes. Why is there tarmac run off on the exit of a 40mph corner?

And then we'd have had a drag race down to the next corner and if Vettel managed to hang on the outside then he'd have had the next corner and the position. They may have banged wheels but nothing bad.

Red Bull blaming McLaren for the engine mapping fuss.

So I don't wish to poke the hornets nest, but I'm going to anyway. What happened to all the easy-DRS passes so many was moaning about and expecting?

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It looked the case when Button passed Maldonado and Schummy, but then I dunno what happened after that.

There was still quite a few boringly easy DRS passes but fortunately not as many as was expected.

My point being that there will always be one or two "easy" passes but all in all people's expectation and criticism of DRS is again proven unfounded.

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Yeah, it wasn't too bad. There were still quite a few passes that were completed even before the braking zone, but other cases where it was a good aid, without making it too easy. I think they just need to move it 100 or 200 metres down the track for next time.

BTW its a shame Senna lost so much time with that puncture at the start as his race pace was brilliant, He was matching the leaders times for most the race.