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Am I missing something with this whole tractor saga (and I might be, because I'm watching Bathurst)? It was out under SC, so if Gasly was still flying past it then either SC rules need to change or communication needs to be better. You can't red flag a race every time a recovery vehicle goes out on track.


Yeah, it's all they've spoken about for the past hour. Surely you bring out the SC and then the tractor comes out once the cars have all caught the SC. If somebody is slow to join the line because they've been in the pits, then make sure they're aware of where the tractor is and go very slowly through that section.

They're speaking as if you can't bring a tractor on track without stopping the race.


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So just off the top of my head, in the history of F1, I can only recall Adelaide 1991 that was abandoned due to rain/weather. We will now possibly have had two in the space of just over a year.


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LucasWheldon wrote:
they should run with all cars going only up to second gear to see which one survives

Racing pit limiter on should be safe enough ;)


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Ferrari retrieved Sainz car, there's some time to repair and put it back on action like when Red Bull did with Perez last year

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If the rain is easing, then now is the time to get everybody out on the full wets.


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LucasWheldon wrote:
Ferrari retrieved Sainz car, there's some time to repair and put it back on action like when Red Bull did with Perez last year


That would be hilarious if they were to repair it before the race resumes (if it ever does) :lol:
Although I thought you can't re-enter a race if you've had recovery assistance, unless I'm thinking of another rule.


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De Cesaris fan wrote:
Schumifan wrote:
Am I missing something with this whole tractor saga (and I might be, because I'm watching Bathurst)? It was out under SC, so if Gasly was still flying past it then either SC rules need to change or communication needs to be better. You can't red flag a race every time a recovery vehicle goes out on track.


Yeah, it's all they've spoken about for the past hour. Surely you bring out the SC and then the tractor comes out once the cars have all caught the SC. If somebody is slow to join the line because they've been in the pits, then make sure they're aware of where the tractor is and go very slowly through that section.

They're speaking as if you can't bring a tractor on track without stopping the race.

You're disingenuous with that final statement. People argue that it was full red with no rush. Just wait for everyone to be back, and get it out after. It's a simple fix, only applicable to this situation, not to yellow or VSC where race running requires indeed more compromise on risk, like you describe.

The reason for the red also was visibility and amount of water, both could be contributing factors to hitting a tractor. Not the same as just an incident and barrier repairs on dry for example


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Imo they should build roofs. You know like on a house so they can race.


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The other thing I'm wondering with the Gasly incident is, if they adjust the delta time to account for poor visibility/rain, or if they just use the same SC delta as if it were a dry session.


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Karan wrote:
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Ferrari retrieved Sainz car, there's some time to repair and put it back on action like when Red Bull did with Perez last year


That would be hilarious if they were to repair it before the race resumes (if it ever does) :lol:
Although I thought you can't re-enter a race if you've had recovery assistance, unless I'm thinking of another rule.


That used to be a rule back in the 80/90/00’s but I think they scrapped it a while ago.


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Less rain now


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webbsy wrote:
So just off the top of my head, in the history of F1, I can only recall Adelaide 1991 that was abandoned due to rain/weather. We will now possibly have had two in the space of just over a year.


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Imo they should build roofs. You know like on a house so they can race.


I thought you were talking about Bologna Motor Show, but they just anticipated a long trend now used by F1 to race on car parks

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Karan wrote:
The other thing I'm wondering with the Gasly incident is, if they adjust the delta time to account for poor visibility/rain, or if they just use the same SC delta as if it were a dry session.


They'l need 5 years to change that rule. Or wait until the end of current regulations until they make such a complicated change.

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Karan wrote:
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Looks like Sainz got lucky no one ran wide after his crash. Looks like he was partly on the track


Another angle from fan footage showing just how close it was...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/bdotsenol/status/1578995810037280768[/tweet]


If Sainz was thrown back a little further on the track we could have had something similar to this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITQArPEKTYY


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10 minutes!!!


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10 minutes... Hopefully not just to run 2 laps behind the Safety Car.


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Delta is stupid. Just have a speed limit that is 5-10 mile and hour above pace speed, like other series have.

Now is the time to get this going.


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10 minutes lawl


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Coldtyre wrote:
De Cesaris fan wrote:
Schumifan wrote:
Am I missing something with this whole tractor saga (and I might be, because I'm watching Bathurst)? It was out under SC, so if Gasly was still flying past it then either SC rules need to change or communication needs to be better. You can't red flag a race every time a recovery vehicle goes out on track.


Yeah, it's all they've spoken about for the past hour. Surely you bring out the SC and then the tractor comes out once the cars have all caught the SC. If somebody is slow to join the line because they've been in the pits, then make sure they're aware of where the tractor is and go very slowly through that section.

They're speaking as if you can't bring a tractor on track without stopping the race.

You're disingenuous with that final statement. People argue that it was full red with no rush. Just wait for everyone to be back, and get it out after. It's a simple fix, only applicable to this situation, not to yellow or VSC where race running requires indeed more compromise on risk, like you describe.

The reason for the red also was visibility and amount of water, both could be contributing factors to hitting a tractor. Not the same as just an incident and barrier repairs on dry for example


With this specific incident, then yeah that would have been the sensible thing to do. But generally speaking, there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to put out recovery vehicles under SC, in any conditions. Ultimately, the problem is that the FIA's processes have failed again and they've managed to engineer another situation in which cars are speeding past recovery vehicles - ridiculous when you think about the set up the organisers have at the Nurburgring 24 hours, for example.


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