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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 1:37 pm 
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one thing they should enforce teams to do is to put a wet weather setup if the race will have rain

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There's wet races and then there's aquaplaning

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and there's Indycar at NOLA

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The thing that annoys me is when drivers complain that it's undriveable, but they're on the intermediate tyres. The full wet tyre is there for a reason. If somebody puts on the wet tyre whilst everyone else is spinning off on inters, they shouldn't be penalised by making the right call on strategy. Everyone else should be crawling back to the pits to put on the full wets. Obviously if everybody is on the full wets and still flying off the road, then a SC or red flag is sensible.

It reminds me of when Rubens put on the full wet tyre at Silverstone (2008?). He was the fastest car on the track by a mile. On that occasion, there was no red flag and he was able to make up loads of time. If they'd stopped the race or put out a SC, he would have gained nothing despite making a good call.


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I wonder if F1 will survive this. And if it survives, what the outcome will be?

Amazing that we had the build up towards the race in Australia, only to be canceled a few hours before first practice.


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and there's Indycar at NOLA

and THEN there's CART at Surfers Paradise in 2002. :p


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Remember that thread for the wet race at Montreal with the driver name rain dad jokes? That was awesome...


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Remember that thread for the wet race at Montreal with the driver name rain dad jokes? That was awesome...

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aerogi wrote:
I wonder if F1 will survive this. And if it survives, what the outcome will be?


extreme budget cap. manufacturers complain, FIA tell them to fuck off and teams more interested in racing rather than selling hybrid SUVs drop by to real racing

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Remember that thread for the wet race at Montreal with the driver name rain dad jokes? That was awesome...

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Should have been 2011. That race thread here was legendary.


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The thing that annoys me is when drivers complain that it's undriveable, but they're on the intermediate tyres. The full wet tyre is there for a reason. If somebody puts on the wet tyre whilst everyone else is spinning off on inters, they shouldn't be penalised by making the right call on strategy. Everyone else should be crawling back to the pits to put on the full wets. Obviously if everybody is on the full wets and still flying off the road, then a SC or red flag is sensible.

It reminds me of when Rubens put on the full wet tyre at Silverstone (2008?). He was the fastest car on the track by a mile. On that occasion, there was no red flag and he was able to make up loads of time. If they'd stopped the race or put out a SC, he would have gained nothing despite making a good call.

That's because the Pirelli full wet is or was a pretty bad tyre. The intermediate was way quicker if the drivers could keep it on the track.

I'm not sure the full wets is much better now, but it was the case for example in Brazil 2016.


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cancel intermediate and let them only race full wets

I was browsing through the 2011 Canadian GP
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Anyone got any aqua-based racing driver name puns?


Michael Subamacher


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Sebastian Vittel


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Mark Webbed-feet

(....)

Seriously not funny, I know.


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Rudder Boatichello?


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Herbie Flash Flood


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Canoe-y Kobayashi


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Aquasuari?


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Pastor Maldrownaldo.


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Kamui Skubawaterski


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Jenson Boat-on


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Timo Dock?


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Fernando Aplonso


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Vitaly Wet 'n off


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Mark Wetter


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Jerome Dam Brosio


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Felipe Splasha


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Kimi Rainkkonen


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They better look out for Nico Iceberg


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NaRAIN Karthikeyan. I don't need no puns. Sometimes they write themselves.


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Bernie Wetterstorm


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Pedro Delawohta


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Jerome we-need-a-dam-brosio


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this is Bahrain's revenge

get it

GET IT?!


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Wet Bull


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Wet Bull

red bull gives you gills?


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H2Ovalainen


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Pedalo Rosa


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Ferrainri


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Giancarlo Drizzichella.


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Rainault


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Sebastien Buoymi.


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Sarah Fisher !!!!!!!!!!!!
Giancarlo Fishichella !!!!!!!!!
Billy Boat !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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McLa-rain


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Robert Boobika


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Thierry Boatsen


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Sebastien Pourdais.


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Moat-treal.


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Sebastain Wettel already said?


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Nigel Monsoon


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Rain Grosjean


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Na-RAIN Karthe-RAIN


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Stirling Foss


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Rain Grosjean


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Wayne Rainey


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Crashhard Banger


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Ted's headset has been damaged by Di-Wetsa


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Wetally Petrov


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Nico Hurlkenberg?


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Pool di Resta


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Team Boatus


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Jos Wetstappen.


spam reached an all time high in a non nascar thread

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If slowing down for corners is normal, so should slowing down for puddles or the lack or grip in general be. Just handle the freaking conditions! The others also have to!


The threshold for "undriveable" is when it becomes a complete lottery that has little to do with driver ability and car setup. If people start just losing control on a straight line because 13% of their rear tyre went over a puddle and the accelerator was at 76% instead of 75%, it's undriveable, regardless if some other drivers are lucky enough not to be caught out by it.

There's also a point to be made that as long as everyone is reliably driving the limit of grip based on feel, it works and all drivers know what to expect. But if drivers are just slowing down to cross "river" sections on the track, not all will slow down the same. Some will always try their luck, leading to aquaplaning crashes, or to collisions at big speed difference (check out videos from CART on Road America 1999 I think, and that huge puddle after the Kink)

I still agree with the rest of your rant, and I think that for modern circuits, the threshold shouldn't be necessarily grip level, but visibility (both will degrade equally anyways). As we sadly saw last year, one of the rare ways you could kill someone in a modern single-seater are impacts with a stationary car, and that is a big risk in heavy rain spray.

Just wait out the race a bit, and race while the rain is slightly lighter. Donington 1993, or Monaco 1997, were acclaimed rain conditions that needed mastery, but they were perfectly reasonable and had visibility. Problem comes when they wait until the track is completely dry before releasing the race, which kills the spice of wet-weather racing.


No doubt there has been a huge cultural sea change by the powers that be when it comes to wet weather racing.

1) Tarmac runoff in the dry might be a more efficient way of slowing cars down, but in the wet, you're screwed. So the tracks are actually more dangerous now in the wet than they were in the past. Obviously the FIA have crunched the numbers on this and realised that wet racing is now so rare, it's worth swathing their tracks in tarmac and the 1 time every 3 season you get a wet race, just use the SC until its dry enough

2)Whichever tyre company it was at the time lobbied the FIA that it wasn't cost effective for them to bring their extreme ("monsoon") tyre all the way around the world at great expense for the small chance it might be needed, so really even the "wets" we have now are the old intermediates.
i'm sure it's possible for them to make a tyre for any weather conditions, even snow or something like that, but it means carrying those kind of tyres around forever until they're needed.
So yeah, yay for cost savings, nay for cars being able to race in the rain...:/

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so besides allowing drivers to exploit track limits tarmac also makes less safer? put some astroturf in it

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I've been rewatching the 2012 season in the last days. And it's interesting how featuring some young drivers ends up being more meaningful when watching it in hindsight - sometimes in more touching ways.

At the beginning of the Hungarian GP the TV features Bottas in the Williams boxes, for example. And in Valencia, they feature Bianchi in Force India boxes, which is something that wasn't expected to cause any shiver at the time as it causes now.


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Having finally watched Spain 1996 again, one thing that struck me (particularly when the conditions worsened towards the end) was the sheer amount of water the tyres were picking up - from the side shots you could literally see water being thrown off of *all* of the tyre.

I wonder if the increase in 'undriveable' complaints in the rain tell us that Good Year simply made much better wet tyres than Bridgestone, Michelin and Pirelli have managed?

Palmer mentioned how Good Year had developed monsoon tyres after Brazil, but that even in this race they weren't considered necessary. Compare that to later years where everybody tried to stay on inters as long as possible.


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Yeah, it's well-established that Pirelli's wets have been pretty awful for years, isn't it??


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well that's now new considering Pirelli, in the 80's and early 90's they were also quite rubbish in F1, only 3 victories between 1981 and 1991

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Talking about silly cost-saving measures, I just rewatched Spain-1996 and it called my attention that there was an actual band playing the anthems, which seems no longer to be the case. The anthems felt much more powerful at that time.


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Talking about silly cost-saving measures, I just rewatched Spain-1996 and it called my attention that there was an actual band playing the anthems, which seems no longer to be the case. The anthems felt much more powerful at that time.


Yeah F1 was actually worth its price back then. I miss those days when it was more elitist.

Now it's just fake elitism. :lol:


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