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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 9:44 pm 
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Quote I saw was that Kubica had said he was embarrassed by how bad the car was when he drove it in FP1 despite having the car with the updates on it.

All you have to do is watch an OnBoard & it's pretty obvious that the car is just shit regardless of who's in it.


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Hiring 2 pay drivers with no experience (one of which after 1 and bit seasons hasn't worked out how to restart after a VSC period causing people to run into him...) is a gamble that's not paying off in car development

Williams are stuck in an ever repeating circle.

They made this bed, now they're lying in it.

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 1:29 am 
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Ferrari's flying nuns hat has been banned after 1 race: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/why- ... d-1037543/

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So let me get this straight, the FIA said that it is an illegal interpretation of the rules, but because it is going to be difficult for them to take off an illegal device (which by the sounds of it the fia kinda let it drag on, hence being "reasonable" about it, not to mention the FIA should have universal standards around this "safety" device) they let them run with it for a race???

So what is to stop every team incorporating "difficult" aero bits with dodgy rules interpretation at each race? Now if Williams actually appealed this I would support this appeal. Ferrari were allowed to run an illegal car because the piece was difficult to remove.....


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The ban was probably to not start a new trend with all sorts of halo gimmicks....


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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 4:12 pm 
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If they let Ferrari go teams would be showing up with weird wings with a very small attachment on the mirrors and claims that "the mirrors rely on the winglets, without it, it'd fall down at high speed"

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webbsy wrote:
So let me get this straight, the FIA said that it is an illegal interpretation of the rules, but because it is going to be difficult for them to take off an illegal device (which by the sounds of it the fia kinda let it drag on, hence being "reasonable" about it, not to mention the FIA should have universal standards around this "safety" device) they let them run with it for a race???

So what is to stop every team incorporating "difficult" aero bits with dodgy rules interpretation at each race? Now if Williams actually appealed this I would support this appeal. Ferrari were allowed to run an illegal car because the piece was difficult to remove.....


I believe their understanding is that Ferrari went to an interpretation that was neither expected nor desired by themselves, so punishing them would be harsh, in this case. Also, I heard that the ban on Ferrari aero came as a result of pressure from other teams.

Surely there is a point where you can just have an "alternative" interpretation of the rules and get away without punishment while the rules are clarified for that matter.


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(one of which after 1 and bit seasons hasn't worked out how to restart after a VSC period causing people to run into him...)
The VSC period hadn't actually ended when Max ran into Stroll so that collision was purely down to Max jumping the gun before the Green had come out.

If you can see the LED flag board it's still yellow/flashing VSC here:
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This is the frame where it changes to Green which is just after the contact:
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so when a driver is punished (Ricciardo? at Australia?) for driving a tiny bit too fast during yellow, then this was OK?


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aerogi wrote:
so when a driver is punished (Ricciardo? at Australia?) for driving a tiny bit too fast during yellow, then this was OK?


wait, are we still expecting consistency from the stewards? :tumble:


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Well, the danger had already ended for sure.


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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 4:09 pm 
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StefMeister wrote:
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(one of which after 1 and bit seasons hasn't worked out how to restart after a VSC period causing people to run into him...)
The VSC period hadn't actually ended when Max ran into Stroll so that collision was purely down to Max jumping the gun before the Green had come out.

If you can see the LED flag board it's still yellow/flashing VSC here:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/957/41247709705_42cc5451fd_o.jpg

This is the frame where it changes to Green which is just after the contact:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/912/41247710255_6bb89b5e47_o.jpg


This is a six of one and half a dozen of the other situation. A perfect storm of what is wrong with the VSC. Vettel mentioned after the race that drivers have to drive their deltas using odd lines. Max made a mistake in anticipating Stroll, who in part also decelerated suddenly.

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Well, the danger had already ended for sure.


danger is always present while racing alongside Max Verstappen

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And Stroll

There should be a YF whenever those two are close, or anyone close to Magnussen at anytime during the race.


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they should display a blue flag in the steering display for some drivers to make them allow an easy pass for faster vehicles otherwise they will be dsq

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LucasWheldon wrote:
they should display a blue flag in the steering display for some drivers to make them allow an easy pass for faster vehicles otherwise they will be dsq


No way. Lapping slower cars always used to be an art. Nowadays faster drivers are given easy passages with the blue flags rule. If anything, current drivers should be forced to sit on the same circuit as Olivier Grouillard and Rene Arnoux before complaining about slower cars.

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The end of the 1989 F1 review about Rene Arnoux when he retired....."He gave everyone a present....no one was rude enough to suggest that they might be from his unused collection of rear view mirrors" lol. and this is from the official review.


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 12:23 am 
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Speaking of Arnoux... :whistling: Blue flags and all...


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Still on Arnoux, but in a slightly different situation, with Jarier being the moving chicane this time.



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Soul Reaver wrote:
And Stroll

There should be a YF whenever those two are close, or anyone close to Magnussen at anytime during the race.

Now I want to see a direct battle between Mad Max and K-Mag. Preferably, Magnussen defending. The only sensible thing to do would be to evacuate all the grandstands and marshall posts before these two get a second apart, lol.


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