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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:14 am 
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They said they'd never race in Singapore in the rain, but they did. Didn't MotoGP do a night wet race in Qatar or somewhere?
Pretty sure they had to postpone it cause the reflection of the lights off the wet surface was blinding the riders



I remember that! It was the first ever MotoGP race shown live here in Finland on a public channel and they builded the hype for weeks and the commentator was really stoked about what kind of race we're going to see. Then it started to rain and they cancelled the race and ended the broadcast. A bit anti-climatic in my opinion.

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This week again no F1 TV Pro

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That's great news. Kudos to ESPN and Mothers Polish for stepping up. The coverage throughout the weekend was fantastic. My only gripe is that the coverage finishes as soon as the podium ceremony ends.

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http://www.racer.com/f1/item/148605-whi ... g-bodywork

Now, granted, I don't watch the sport anymore but surely scrutineering still exists? And the meatball flag?

And besides, I thought the halo was supposed to stop this being an issue...

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http://www.racer.com/f1/item/148605-whiting-warns-haas-over-flying-bodywork

Now, granted, I don't watch the sport anymore but surely scrutineering still exists? And the meatball flag?

And besides, I thought the halo was supposed to stop this being an issue...


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That's why Whiting himself has the meatball flag I wonder.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:13 am 
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Simple really. Give them the black flag. Force them into the pits to remove all unattached pieces. I thought you know, that was the jobs of those involved.

So the chief safety delegate was worried about the safety of one of the cars on the track.......and DIDN'T issue an order to bring the car into the pits????? Yeah. That isn't a Hass/aero problem. That is a Charlie Whitting/FIA problem. But hey, what's new.


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Michael Schumacher had a side flap come loose and drag near the car during the Australian (?) GP one year (2003? 2004? - can't find a video).

He was promptly shown the Orange/Black flag at the start/finish straight and had 3 laps to come in and deal with the issue, as per the rules. It's not rocket science.

Whiting is an old beat-up man who can barely speak up to the drivers, you can feel from the driver briefing videos that he does not give an authority figure vibe at all. It matches perfectly the tone of the article.


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That was 2003 indeed, but that was clearly flapping and still hanging off the car.

Can't remember if there was anything clearly loose on the Haas in Bahrain?


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That was 2003 indeed, but that was clearly flapping and still hanging off the car.

Can't remember if there was anything clearly loose on the Haas in Bahrain?


After the initial part breaking off, cameras showed bits still hanging off which later parted company as well.


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Oh ok, missed that.

But anyway I'm on the "get rid of Charlie" train.


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It's actually next lap when driver gets meatball flag - however the flag can only been shown at the start/finish straight. Sainz got one in Singapore - I think they were around Piquet corner at the time during the annoucement and Sainz pitted second time out (with the flag been shown on the first lap)

btw, Australia 2003 Schumacher actually refuelled at the stop after he was called in so I suppose he was due to pit anyway during the race.


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so with just 5 kgs of extra fuel, they will be able to go full speed all the time?

5 kgs?

5 silly kgs?

That's it? That's the reason now they sometimes have to coast because of fuel saving while the viewers are watching?


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so with just 5 kgs of extra fuel, they will be able to go full speed all the time?

5 kgs?

5 silly kgs?

That's it? That's the reason now they sometimes have to coast because of fuel saving while the viewers are watching?

And I thought they always underfueled the cars to save weight. They could actually put a lot more fuel in the car but they chose not to do it.


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So save weight and drive slower is faster than add 5kg and go flat out all the time?

Somebody want to do the maths on that see if it's legit?


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Will anyone actually push or would they rather coast to save engine? I'm having a hard time to get the grasp on this measure.


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They could increase the fuel allowance as much as they want but it won't see drivers driving flat out all race because teams will still under-fuel to save a bit of weight & of course tyres will still need managing as will engines, gearboxes, Brakes etc...

Even in the refueling days they were not flat out all race long. You had races such as Hungary 1998 or Suzuka 2000 where drivers fighting for a win/championship did drive to the limit for a lot of the race but those cases were exceptions which is why they stand out over other races from the time.

Also look at Champcar. Over the years they tried various things to remove fuel saving strategies, Be it mandatory pit windows, Removing the fuel mix settings or having shorter timed races (1hr45m) in 2007 & nothing really worked so current Indycar have pretty much given up & accepted it's part of the sport. Drivers like Scott Dixon have become masters of it & won many races (And championships) due to been so good at saving fuel while maintaining good lap time.


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Mandatory pit windows was awful. Especially when they screwed up the number of laps at Brands.


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Let me fix F1:

- Bring a cheap and simple engine formula.
- Remove the need for that engine to last more than one race.
- Remove tyre compound rules. Do not force a driver to race at least 2 compounds during a race.
- Bring 2 clearly different compounds to each race. One that can last an entire GP, one that forces you to pit twice.
- Bring refuelling back. Allow drivers to race shorter stints, light on fuel. Make a Schumi @ Magny Cours 2004 scenario possible.
- Make fuel tanks big enough, so that some drivers can top-off, put tyres that are harder than a rock, and try to go the distance without stopping.

And obviously, return to the high-and narrow rear wing, with the wide and low front wing formula. Keep the width of the tyres and the chassis. Ban all winglets.


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what about instead of a max fuel flow allowed, they should run a minimum fuel flow so if you are coasting too much you'll lose

and also get rid of the hybrid crap to save weight, and let them be unreliable. yesterday I was watching 1997 British GP and what a delight to see several DNFs

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