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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:38 am 
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Stroll doesn't have a controlling stake in the company.

There were already whispers about things not going so well with the road car and the deliveries were supposed start last year and they haven't even got a test mule car running at full speed yet, and there's been basically no news about the race car at all since June.

Hypercar class is definitely dead-on-arrival now, Peugeot will likely switch to LMDh format, and next a couple of years/season are going to be more of the current Toyota-parade until Peugeot and other LMDh programs appear.


Exactly. To say Stroll with his 20% would have the power to stop the project is silly.I can see it being mainly down to the LMDh regulations, if I was a manufacturer that had committed to the Hypercar regs only for another set to come out that allow you to fight for overall wins in the US and rest of the world for cheaper, I'd be pissed off. So I can see the Hypercars sadly dropping more numbers as fall out

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Official press release:

https://www.astonmartin.com/en-us/our-w ... me-strong-

Blames the convergence announcement and officially program is "on halt" (yeah sure). Of course doesn't mention problems and delays with the car itself.


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While the FIA/ACO statement puts the blame squarely on Aston Martin's problems


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Let me say the LMDh announcement was a complete mess.

With the amount of investment factory teams put into top tier endurance racing, you simply cannot announce something so preliminarily without fleshing out the rules more.
It just leaves everybody in standby, waiting for a definitive ruleset to invest resources in.

At the end of the day, if things go completely south like they seem to be going, they'd better swallow whatever cost efficient rules IMSA wants to race at Le Mans and use it as a global platform.

Toyota won't be pleased, to use an understatement, but at least we could have some real competition.

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fede999 wrote:
With the amount of investment factory teams put into top tier endurance racing, you simply cannot announce something so preliminarily without fleshing out the rules more.

They (OEMs) probably know more than has been said in public. LMDh is essentially what IMSA envisaged for DPI 2.0, if not simply renamed DPI 2.0.


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And to be fair, is the rule set they should have gone with in the first place (as much as I like the Hypercar regulations)


Quote from Aston Martin which I can fully understand

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“Aston Martin’s ambition to compete for the overall victory in the 24 Hours of Le Mans remains undiminished,” said Aston Martin Lagonda CEO Andy Palmer.

“But it is only right that we reassess our position in light of a significant change in the landscape that was not anticipated when we committed last year. We entered Aston Martin Valkyrie in WEC and at Le Mans with the understanding that we would be competing with similar machinery and like-minded manufacturers. The situation has changed.”

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deggis wrote:
fede999 wrote:
With the amount of investment factory teams put into top tier endurance racing, you simply cannot announce something so preliminarily without fleshing out the rules more.

They (OEMs) probably know more than has been said in public. LMDh is essentially what IMSA envisaged for DPI 2.0, if not simply renamed DPI 2.0.


Surely more than us and the journalists, but apparently still not enough for manufacturers to actively commit to a ruleset or the other. That's were the ACO/FIA failed, in my opinion.

And I'm not criticizing IMSA at all, as I think the DPi format works very well for a national/continental championship.
I'm just very disappointed to see big manufacturers showing such a tepid interest in WEC that the much smaller IMSA teams actually become the most interested partners. And the ACO has to rely on them to hope and fill up the first tier class grid for the coming years. Obviously, being run on much smaller budgets, IMSA teams demand a less expensive "premier class" as it's in their legitimate interest to do.

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Now Peugeot is umming and ahhing about the Hypercar

https://au.motorsport.com/wec/news/peug ... r/4690634/

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Juihi wrote:
Now Peugeot is umming and ahhing about the Hypercar

https://au.motorsport.com/wec/news/peug ... r/4690634/


Go figure...

I mean, what did the ACO expect?

Did they really think that WEC manufacturers would go on investing millions in an Hypercar project, when they were basically told you could slap a GT3 engine into a spec prototype and be in contention for the win at Le Mans, but for a fraction of the budget?

This is becoming a farce, and I don't see a way the ACO is getting out of this without pissing off either the big WEC players (just Toyota, at the moment) or the whole American camp.

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fede999 wrote:
Juihi wrote:
Now Peugeot is umming and ahhing about the Hypercar

https://au.motorsport.com/wec/news/peug ... r/4690634/


Go figure...

I mean, what did the ACO expect?

Did they really think that WEC manufacturers would go on investing millions in an Hypercar project, when they were basically told you could slap a GT3 engine into a spec prototype and be in contention for the win at Le Mans, but for a fraction of the budget?

This is becoming a farce, and I don't see a way the ACO is getting out of this without pissing off either the big WEC players (just Toyota, at the moment) or the whole American camp.



Farce is the right word, they should have just gone with LMDh from the start , although I think gaining wider attention and new fans the Hypercar regs are definitely what would have worked (because they look absolutely badass)

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Without ACO bending over and even changing the rules merely for Aston Martin the convergence plan would have certain accelerated, because the entire hypercar rules going forward were contingent on getting a 2nd manufacturer onboard.


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Toyota (at this stage) are sticking to Hypercar

https://au.motorsport.com/wec/news/toyo ... l/4691122/

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deggis wrote:
Without ACO bending over and even changing the rules merely for Aston Martin the convergence plan would have certain accelerated, because the entire hypercar rules going forward were contingent on getting a 2nd manufacturer onboard.


But then they decided to try and fix that mistake with another mistake. They should have stood their ground and try tro attract more manufacturers to the Hypercar class. And they already got Peugeot's interest.

I don't know how much the whole Stroll-F1 affair contributed to Aston Martin's decision, but it's not the first time Aston announces big plans only to abruptly retire in shame. Just think about the whole AMR-Lola/AMR-One failure and DTM last year. That's not a company I would entrust the fate of a championship to any longer.

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Le Mans entry list:

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Glad to see Takuma Aoki in Garage 56

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https://www.fiawec.com/en/news/postpone ... hamps/6669?

Spa, obviously, postponed.


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https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/fil ... y-april-15

ACO is adamant that Le Mans will go ahead this year, but of course unlikely in its original date and postponement will be announced by April 15.


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Just announced that the 24h du Mans will be raced in September 19-20


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