Then use a sandbag. Usually plenty left over after testing
Or if celebs really want to be on the grid...
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| Author: | Ian-S [ Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2015 Sportscar Discussion - WEC/ELMS/AsLMS |
They give you something nice to look at before the race dummy, and they stop that pole their holding from falling over. |
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| Author: | Gaara [ Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2015 Sportscar Discussion - WEC/ELMS/AsLMS |
Then use a sandbag. Usually plenty left over after testing Or if celebs really want to be on the grid... |
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| Author: | StanV [ Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2015 Sportscar Discussion - WEC/ELMS/AsLMS |
codename_47 wrote: The question no-one is answering is what exactly do they add to the sport? Nail, head etc. I was a bit indifferent about it, but the comments of 'sad' photographers I've been reading over the past 2 days makes me really happy this has happened. "Ugh, now where do I get my cleavage and skirt shots from hot chicks" They always look so out of place. Here, go stand in front of a racecar you have no connection with for about 60-90 minutes (as often happens in the case of endurance races) and just... do nothing but smile. Definitely don't mind the creepy old men suddenly flocking around trying to get you back to their little VIP tents. I cringe so much every time I walk on a grid like that. I'm sure you won't have a lack of beautiful models going to a race track, as banning grid girls does not disallow teams to use them for promo, VIP roles (eg. hostess) or anything else. And that's fine, because in those cases they actually have a purpose, rather than just standing around like a (dare I say it) 'object'. Comparisons with fashion models makes no sense IMO, because they do something: show and promote fashion/design clothing. That a lot of people still look at them as 'objects', probably, but AT LEAST they do have a purpose. If you want to hear the opinion of Lisa Crampton (FIA assistant & sports management consultant for the WEC/24LM/ELMS), one of the females in the business: https://twitter.com/_LCC7  It's easy to find alternatives for "panel holders": run a competition to get fans on the grid. A shitload of people would compete in that. You could even get kids to do it, fans for life plus great positive footage rather than yet another clip of boobzzz and assezzz during the highlight reel. |
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| Author: | Reece [ Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2015 Sportscar Discussion - WEC/ELMS/AsLMS |
I reckon there would be a pretty large generational correlation to the opinions of people about this topic. |
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| Author: | Schumifan [ Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2015 Sportscar Discussion - WEC/ELMS/AsLMS |
StanV wrote: Putting aside the grid girl thing for a moment, Carmen Jorda really isn't the best example. She's actively using the fact that she's an attractive female with nice legs to get a drive, because she certainly doesn't have the talent for it. There are opportunites for talented women to be successful in the sport, and funnily enough they don't seem to be subject to objectification. Simona de Silvestro, Monisha Kaltenborn, Claire Williams, Leena Gade to name a few. We need more of them, not more Carmen Jordas. |
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| Author: | Cheeveer [ Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2015 Sportscar Discussion - WEC/ELMS/AsLMS |
A worthwhile contribution to the discussion: http://www.dailysportscar.com/2015/04/0 ... pines.html I have thought about a lot, why I got bit by the racing bug but my sister didn't. Our dad took both of us to races in 90's, and had the same opportunities in loving the sport - so why not the same experience? |
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| Author: | Soul Reaver [ Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2015 Sportscar Discussion - WEC/ELMS/AsLMS |
No grid girls anymore?  Real shame. Won't read or discuss all, just saying where I stand. |
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| Author: | cookie [ Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2015 Sportscar Discussion - WEC/ELMS/AsLMS |
Grid girl ban, same as the helmet change ban in F1, completely unnecessary. If a team wants a grid girl on the grid, let them. If they don't, let them have a mechanic hold the grid number. There is no need to make rules for this, just as in the real world there are no rules to what woman should do or wear. If anything is sexist it's this new rule. It gives the perception that woman can't make the decision to be a grid girl or not by themselves. These girls are models and what's the difference in modeling for a photoshoot or doing some grid girl work? The grid girls I usually see at races are usually properly dressed anyway. The times of bikinis are long behind us (in Europe at least) |
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| Author: | Fabs [ Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2015 Sportscar Discussion - WEC/ELMS/AsLMS |
dicksplaash wrote: what a world we live in where people are offended by the removal of track side softcore porn... 
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| Author: | StanV [ Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2015 Sportscar Discussion - WEC/ELMS/AsLMS |
dicksplaash wrote: A worthwhile contribution to the discussion: http://www.dailysportscar.com/2015/04/0 ... pines.html Great article, doubt a lot of people have read it. Quote: My self-respect did come back, though, as the session wound down. A man came over to me with his two young daughters. He extended his right hand and said, “I just wanted to thank you for choosing to not be half naked on the grid. It sends a good message to my girls.” Quote: It wasn’t until I decided to forge a career in the motorsports world that I realized how the use of grid girls could affect how people view women in the paddock. A pretty young girl, I’m sorry to say, was viewed as a potential grid girl, a driver’s girlfriend, or a temporary feature. Quote: It is a hard thing, to be taken seriously in the paddock. It is even more difficult as a young woman to try and show that you belong when every other girl your age in the paddock isn’t trying to make a long-term career. Stereotypes were set and I had to prove that I wasn’t one. Quote: There are still people who argue that I have my job because of my looks.
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| Author: | deggis [ Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2015 Sportscar Discussion - WEC/ELMS/AsLMS |
dicksplaash wrote: A worthwhile contribution to the discussion: http://www.dailysportscar.com/2015/04/0 ... pines.html I have thought about a lot, why I got bit by the racing bug but my sister didn't. Our dad took both of us to races in 90's, and had the same opportunities in loving the sport - so why not the same experience? This might sound inadvertently sexist but is there really any other answer to that than that "cars are a boy thing"? |
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| Author: | StanV [ Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2015 Sportscar Discussion - WEC/ELMS/AsLMS |
deggis wrote: dicksplaash wrote: A worthwhile contribution to the discussion: http://www.dailysportscar.com/2015/04/0 ... pines.html I have thought about a lot, why I got bit by the racing bug but my sister didn't. Our dad took both of us to races in 90's, and had the same opportunities in loving the sport - so why not the same experience? This might sound inadvertently sexist but is there really any other answer to that than that "cars are a boy thing"? Vicious circle, social constructs and all that. A girl in motorsport is still as much of an oddness as having a man trying out ballet, for example. It has grown and has been reinforced traditionally. The fact that a lot of the female drivers are daughters of ex-racers or individuals active in racing, shows that this is an actual mechanism IMO. Those women had free access to everything involving racing, and their interest in cars and rumbling engines was able to roam freely without getting a couple of signs saying "hey, this is not really for girls, is it?" along the way. It's embedded in all of us. I had a proper discussion about cars with 2 girls/women I'm doing a project with earlier this week. I feel bad that I felt surprised about that. |
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| Author: | StanV [ Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2015 Sportscar Discussion - WEC/ELMS/AsLMS |
Schumifan wrote: There are opportunites for talented women to be successful in the sport, and funnily enough they don't seem to be subject to objectification. Simona de Silvestro, Monisha Kaltenborn, Claire Williams, Leena Gade to name a few. We need more of them, not more Carmen Jordas. Yet when Sauber ran into trouble the internet was flooded with "see what happens when you get a woman to run something in motorsport, LOLLLLL". |
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| Author: | codename_47 [ Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2015 Sportscar Discussion - WEC/ELMS/AsLMS |
StanV wrote: Schumifan wrote: There are opportunites for talented women to be successful in the sport, and funnily enough they don't seem to be subject to objectification. Simona de Silvestro, Monisha Kaltenborn, Claire Williams, Leena Gade to name a few. We need more of them, not more Carmen Jordas. Yet when Sauber ran into trouble the internet was flooded with "see what happens when you get a woman to run something in motorsport, LOLLLLL". And yet Williams has got slightly better since it has been (part?) run by a woman so iono Pretty sure sauber came closest it ever has to winning a race with monaco too. And looking elsewhere on the grid there's plenty of men doing worse jobs with more monies so you don't have to be a man or a woman to be successful in f1....just rich |
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| Author: | Fabs [ Sun Apr 05, 2015 12:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2015 Sportscar Discussion - WEC/ELMS/AsLMS |
humor not allowed |
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| Author: | Cheeveer [ Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2015 Sportscar Discussion - WEC/ELMS/AsLMS |
deggis wrote: dicksplaash wrote: A worthwhile contribution to the discussion: http://www.dailysportscar.com/2015/04/0 ... pines.html I have thought about a lot, why I got bit by the racing bug but my sister didn't. Our dad took both of us to races in 90's, and had the same opportunities in loving the sport - so why not the same experience? This might sound inadvertently sexist but is there really any other answer to that than that "cars are a boy thing"? That is indeed what it is, and it is that segregation that makes me uncomfortable. This fantastic sport should welcome everyone equally. So many bright minds involved, yet it is still a Boys Club. |
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| Author: | Fabs [ Sun Apr 05, 2015 1:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2015 Sportscar Discussion - WEC/ELMS/AsLMS |
Women can do whatever they want, but I know hardly any that are interested in cars or racing. Actually none of them are. So this is due to our sexism? If my daughter wants to race, she can but I doubt she'd want to. |
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| Author: | Cheeveer [ Sun Apr 05, 2015 1:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2015 Sportscar Discussion - WEC/ELMS/AsLMS |
Fabs wrote: Women can do whatever they want, but I know hardly any that are interested in cars or racing. Actually none of them are. So this is due to our sexism? Yes. It is not exactly a welcoming environment when the gender roles are so clear as they are with the Grid Girls phenomena. |
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| Author: | Soul Reaver [ Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2015 Sportscar Discussion - WEC/ELMS/AsLMS |
So, what are the different specs and energy use of the 4 hybrid cars? |
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| Author: | deggis [ Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2015 Sportscar Discussion - WEC/ELMS/AsLMS |
Soul Reaver wrote: So, what are the different specs and energy use of the 4 hybrid cars? Toyota: 6MJ, supercapacitor ERS on rear and front axle Audi: 4MJ, flywheel ERS on front axle Porsche: 8MJ, exhaust ERS on rear, battery on front axle Nissan: ?MJ, 2x flywheels on front axle, which can apparently power the rear axle too |
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