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2023 Sportscar Discussion - WEC/ELMS/AsLMS
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Author:  Gaara [ Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:14 am ]
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Tyres blowing and cars taking off? Shit, that's not good.
Author:  Chris A [ Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:00 am ]
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Covy was just chatting to me about this. Said something about Continental running the same tire they've been using for two years at Daytona. Some people at the track were telling him something about the new car updates not meshing well with the old tires. Plus there's a fear that the diffuser might be making liftoff more likely.
Author:  StanV [ Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:34 am ]
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Darren Turner stopped his car immediately after the wreck of Westbrook to help him out.

This is one of the best pics in motorsport, as of today:
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Author:  Woodski [ Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:52 am ]
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Chris A wrote:
Covy was just chatting to me about this. Said something about Continental running the same tire they've been using for two years at Daytona. Some people at the track were telling him something about the new car updates not meshing well with the old tires. Plus there's a fear that the diffuser might be making liftoff more likely.

yep.

lets up horsepower by 60 and add nearly 60% more downforce and keep the same tires?

gj continental.
Author:  Chris D [ Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:07 am ]
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StanV wrote:
Darren Turner stopped his car immediately after the wreck of Westbrook to help him out.

This is one of the best pics in motorsport, as of today:
Image


I know the guy that took that photo. Great guy to talk to and bs with.
Author:  zippy [ Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:51 pm ]
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They've cancelled all prototype testing until further notice do to the incidents in yesterday's sessions.

What a mess.
Author:  westracing01 [ Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:12 pm ]
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Good news is the car is possibly not totalled.

Great news is the driver got out OK.

http://sportscar365.com/imsa/tusc/westb ... y-from-it/

Had to be one helluva ride by the sounds of it.
Author:  hedgey666 [ Wed Nov 20, 2013 11:02 pm ]
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Woodski wrote:
Chris A wrote:
Covy was just chatting to me about this. Said something about Continental running the same tire they've been using for two years at Daytona. Some people at the track were telling him something about the new car updates not meshing well with the old tires. Plus there's a fear that the diffuser might be making liftoff more likely.

yep.

lets up horsepower by 60 and add nearly 60% more downforce and keep the same tires?

gj continental.


Really. It occurred to no-one at all that this could be a problem? Grats on leaving yet another thing to the very last second TUSC and (in this case) Conti.

I've never been more in two mind about a series in my life. I really want this to work and be awesome but they keep trying to ruin it for us, lol. I just hope they work out all the bugs before the 24 - time's running out and if the D24 is a total farce for whatever reason then they'll be in real trouble.
Author:  codename_47 [ Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:03 am ]
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I actually thought about opening a discussion point about the chances of DP airbournes of they made them faster, based on the fact one of them did a backflip during the Daytona 24 hours in about 2005 or 2006 (completely missed by the cameras, of course) so making them faster had to increase that risk )

But then I went against it thinking I'd come across as some "HUNGRY 4 SUM AIRBOURNES" crash freak. Oh well.

I guess there were no cameras at Daytona today then? Sucks.

Either way, it's going to make the Daytona 24 hours fun!
The best solutions I've heard are for them to throw some new tyres on them and hope it doesn't happen again without puncture related sudden changes in direction, or not run the 2014 updates, which'll leave the DP's WAAAAY behind the P2 cars so much that there will probably be more crashes in traffic between them too.
But better a normal DP/P2 crash than a faster DP airbourne incident, I guess.

Maybe, just to be on the safe side, they should not sell tickets for the front 5 rows of grandstands this year.... 8O
Author:  Woodski [ Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:49 am ]
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lmao there are no grandstand tickets like in a cup race.

anythin going backward that fast that suddenly is gonna go into the air
Author:  deggis [ Thu Nov 21, 2013 6:56 am ]
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http://www.racecar-engineering.com/blog ... types-fly/
Author:  Artur Craft [ Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:52 pm ]
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Chris A wrote:
Covy was just chatting to me about this. Said something about Continental running the same tire they've been using for two years at Daytona. Some people at the track were telling him something about the new car updates not meshing well with the old tires. Plus there's a fear that the diffuser might be making liftoff more likely.


Troy Flis said: “The new diffuser helped take off a lot of energy off the back of the car when it did get into the fence.”

not take off in the sense of lifting it, but absorbing energy from the impact

I think Continental can pretty quicky provide tyres for bigger loads/torque. They don't need to make any research on it, the know-how is already there.

The long term problem I see is how they decided to increase DP's downforce. Way too much downforce in the rear axle relative to the front will always create some problems. This is like an extreme case that can't simply be fixed with setups, moving weight/ballast in the car

But then, most of Group C cars had way more df at the rear than at the front and this unbalance of load didn't led to shitload of airbonez. When Continental bring appropriate tyres, it will become way less likely

The thing about this aero set is that we can see even more flamboyant flips than that of Webber at Valencia 2010 if theres is a collision that will lift the front
Author:  Gaara [ Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:15 pm ]
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ACO replacing LMPC with LMP3 for ELMS and AsLMS. No one make chassis now.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111613
Author:  Hank Hill [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:33 am ]
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Strakka Dome, sounds cool:

http://www.strakkaracing.com/wp/?p=1370

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Author:  Fish88 [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:08 pm ]
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Woot Dome and a long term partnership.
Author:  ptclaus98 [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:00 pm ]
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Sounds good. Looks ugly. Especially by Dome standards.
Author:  deggis [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:32 pm ]
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That's a surprise... but LMP2, meh.

Ugly proportions. Cockpit seems so far behind?
Author:  deggis [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:45 pm ]
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Btw, according to RLM Porsche (the P1) burned in a private test at Paul Ricard. Further tests (Sebring) cancelled. Rumor already some days old so this apparently happened the week before last.
Author:  deggis [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:59 pm ]
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Artur Craft wrote:
But then, most of Group C cars had way more df at the rear than at the front and this unbalance of load didn't led to shitload of airbonez. When Continental bring appropriate tyres, it will become way less likely

How much is shitloadz? :p I could immediately dig up a few from Youtube.
Author:  Artur Craft [ Thu Nov 28, 2013 4:36 am ]
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well, roughly how many and for how long period? :p

Later I could check some numbers, but I think around 70% of all downforce were at the rear axle, on average, during that period of 80's and early 90's. Even with such configuration, you still need something(collision, tyre failure and etc) to trigger the flipping potential of it

Shame about the incident with Porsche. Sportscars racing, and motorsport in general, are in such a financial crisis that I hate to hear things like this to any team involved in any category these days :(
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