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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:59 am 
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If it rains like hell Saturday I say Audi wins, provided they don't break of course.

If they jump out to a lead of a few laps in the wet it could be interesting come Sunday with the Porsche's trying to run them down.

Much will depend on the rain, as it always seems to when La Sarthe gets moist.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 7:52 am 
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Let's hope it stays dry for the race, I don't want to watch hours and hours after the Safety cars or being red flagged.


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If it rains like hell, something tells me that we won't see much green flag running though...

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:20 am 
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the rain won't be as bad as yesterday imo


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so we have Belgium vs Ireland, we have the 24 hours Le Mans and we have qualifying F1, all starting at 3 p.m. tomorrow...

perfect timing :/


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hey mattzel, your famous

http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/this-epic-save-by-a-le-mans-safety-car-may-as-well-be-a-1782126536


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The undeniable speed advantage enjoyed by the turbocharged Ford and Ferrari GTE-Pro cars in practice and qualifying has been met with significant Balance of Performance changes just over 24 hours before the start of the 24 Hours of Le Mans.

The pole-winning ford GTs, which qualified 1-2-4-5 in the 14-car class, have received an extra five kilos (11 pounds) of ballast, moving the four cars up to 1248 kgs (2751 lbs), but that’s only a token change. The big pre-race adjustment is the removal of boost pressure throughout the twin-turbo V6’s rev range from 4200-7000 rpms. Only the Ford’s peak 7100 rpm range was left untouched.

On the Ferrari side, its new twin-turbo V8 488 was met with the opposite treatment as its boost was left alone in favor of reducing its pace through bolting an extra 25 kilos (55 pounds) to the three Prancing horses that qualified P3-5-6. The 488s also received and extra four liters of fuel capacity.


The slow non-turbos from Aston Martin, Corvette, and Porsche also had BoP changes made, and most were in the name of improving their pace.

Aston’s V8 Vantages will breathe easier thanks to a further 0.4 mm opening of its air restrictors, which will increase power and torque. The Corvette C7.Rs received a 0.3 mm air restrictor break, but the team only has restrictors in hand that would allow a 0.2 mm break.

“It’s a move in the right direction,” Corvette Racing program manager Doug Fehan told DSC. “The [0.3 mm] is enough of an improvement that we need to find a solution because we only have restrictors that will get us [0.2 mm].”

The C7.Rs were also given an additional seven liters of fuel capacity. The Porsche 911 RSRs did not receive weight or air restrictor changes, but now have eight liters of new fuel capacity.

Altogether, the changes to the Ferraris and Fords should make for an intense fight among GTE-Pro cars throughout Saturday and Sunday in La Sarthe.


http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/06/1 ... e-bop.html

Bad. Should've left Ford and Ferrari as it was, or put it back to test day spec, and put the others forward. It's not good if there are cars out on unknown territory in the race. If the Ford's aren't battling for the win now, for whatever reason, Chip's shop is gonna bitch and whine AF.


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Whatever happens, the whole thing's been a big mess. It's a shame.


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I don't like these kind of things. Might be nice to have a close field, but if they invest $$$ to built a car which is fast then they should not be punished for that. After all, maybe the Fords are fast but unreliable which would or could level out the advantage during the race.

It's in the first place all about reliability for a 24 hour race, not about close racing. I don't care if a certain car is 5sec faster compared to the others. So much can happen during 24 hours.


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aerogi wrote:
I don't like these kind of things. Might be nice to have a close field, but if they invest $$$ to built a car which is fast then they should not be punished for that. After all, maybe the Fords are fast but unreliable which would or could level out the advantage during the race.

It's in the first place all about reliability for a 24 hour race, not about close racing. I don't care if a certain car is 5sec faster compared to the others. So much can happen during 24 hours.

A bit moot point... assuming car is x secs faster on each clean lap that easily cumulates into multiple laps gap at the end of the race. Especially GTE is now so close and competitive that any bigger problem and you're out of the victory race.


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I understand your point, but to me its too artificial.

We all know that in normal circumstances Bolt will win the 100 metres sprint. You won't add weight to him so that the others would also have a chance?

If Ford have built a car which is faster, kudos to them. Especially because it is a new team, they might struggle a lot during the race because of reliability due to brakes, gearbox whatever other issues so in the end they might need the speed to cover all of this. The other teams in GTE have been racing in Le Mans for so many years, have lots of expertise.

I remember not so long ago that the Peugeot's were much faster, but in the end the AUdi's won because they were much more reliable.


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The problem is that it can't be known what is "real" or "genuine performance advantage" because ACO/FIA has let this BoP now slip into such a mess in previous years (compare to GT2/GT1 years, when BoPing was made less frequently and the performance windows/targets were wider). If you can generally have that at all in a GT class with so many different type of cars. I wouldn't be surporised if the Ford ended up being the best car because it is so extreme in aero design at least but we can't ever know, similarly Ferrari has often built on paper the best car but then have been slowed down by BoP.

GT3 BoP differs because they do a BoP test with independent driver(s) and there's little development during the season since there are no real factory teams. Maybe the independent driver test might work for GTE too. I don't get why would they do BoP adjustments between the testday and race anyway, that's like inciting to sandbag...


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Les 24 Heures du Alan Gow :lol:

Best series for purist racing WEC.......haaaaaa :mrgreen:

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Ferrari and Ford were always going to be faster, they are NEW for 2016.

Aston ans Chevy are relatively old now (albeit updated to the new rules). Quit your moaning and build a new car!

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I don't get why would they do BoP adjustments between the testday and race anyway, that's like inciting to sandbag...


I agree. That's very unfortunate.

And maybe it's become a hen out of a feather. Qualifying was heavily disrupted in any case. I doubt 2016's Corvettes would be slower than 2015 Corvettes if they would have really gotten in tune in qualifying.


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Let's see who's sandbagging who.... But don't give me "oh but they spended $$$ money", then don't sandbag lol.


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On the other hand!

With all this controversy, the stakes are higher, the cars are closer and the fighting will be more intense. Despite all this, we are surely in for a classic.

And LMP1 look good too!


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Every year we say "We're in for a classic" and every year it's largely the same, a great race that can't fail to be good.

When you run a race for that long it's like an entire season of most other championships happening at once.
We may have thought Monaco was exciting and Canada dull in F1, but in Le Mans terms that's just hours 6-9 :p

If you wait around for long enough and have patience, over the course of the race there's some amazing moments.
Obviously not all 24 hours are going to be wall to wall action, but who can sit and watch for 24 hours consecutively without eating, toilet, occasionally talking to another human being, going outside, sleeping or whatever.

and yes, some Le Mans races have been better than others but my god you cannot ever say that, especially at 4pm on a Sunday afternoon :p
Each Le Mans is epic just for the achievement of those who make the finish, but also each individual race can still be a let down or not as good as billed or whatever. It's racing, it happens ;)

This year will be 24 heures du non-balles bleues though.

24 Heures Du Tast. ;)

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