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Author:  Wayne [ Mon May 11, 2015 5:22 am ]
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So we've reached the month of May. It's the month of the Indy 500, the greatest race in the world. Since we already have a thread for classic NASCAR discussion, I decided to open up a similar thread for IndyCar/IRL. The premise of this thread is the same as the classic NASCAR thread: post old races, talk about the racing, the drivers, the teams, the storylines, and countless other stuff. We'll see if this catches on or not, but I think it's worth a shot. And yes, old Indy 500s will be welcomed here even though USAC sanctioned the race through mid-1997.

As I write this I'm watching the 1999 Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach on YouTube, which was the first race on the track's new (at the time) configuration where Turn 1 became a left-hander after being a right-hander for so many years. In years past, Long Beach was the race before Indy (until 1995 when Nazareth was between Long Beach & Indy on the schedule--the only year this happened because the split took place the next year). Tony Kanaan won his first career pole and Juan Pablo Montoya got his first career win on that weekend.
Author:  iks [ Mon May 11, 2015 6:46 am ]
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Raul Boesel should've won at least one race imo...somewhere in 1993 and 1994.

Boesel should've won this race and Robby Gordon shows some serious skills at 22:00:
Author:  J.Morelli [ Mon May 11, 2015 7:42 pm ]
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Awsome idea, I loved it because I simply love CART/IRL and miss them a lot.

Regarding Boesel, indeed he deserved much more than he achieved in his career but lack of luck is part of the sport. Nowadays Boesel abandoned motor racing completely and became a DJ.

Spoiler:
Author:  Wayne [ Mon May 11, 2015 7:45 pm ]
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You know another race Boesel could have won? Indy in 1993. He had a car good enough for him to be taking that swig of milk in victory lane but pit road penalties were his undoing. Nigel Mansell also had a shot to win but his lack of experience on restarts combined with the 500 being his very first oval race (was supposed to be Phoenix but he was knocked cold in a practice crash that weekend and had to sit out) got the better of him and Emerson Fittipaldi & Arie Luyendyk battled it out to decide who would get their 2nd Indy win.
Author:  LucasWheldon [ Mon May 11, 2015 7:56 pm ]
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quite a great thing they have almost all the full races from that time
Author:  westracing01 [ Mon May 11, 2015 10:21 pm ]
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Here's a topic I can get into...

Let's start off with some tasty Portland action courtesy of changing conditions circa 1997...
Author:  iks [ Tue May 12, 2015 12:12 am ]
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westracing01 wrote:
Here's a topic I can get into...

Let's start off with some tasty Portland action courtesy of changing conditions circa 1997...



I was at this race at the grandstand at the beginning of the backstraight; just a wee lad at 10 years old. I can still see in my mind Gugelmin and Pruett with rooster tails coming out of the turn 1/2 chicane. Awesome race.

I like this race:
Author:  SecretAgentHarvick [ Tue May 12, 2015 3:48 pm ]
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My favorite lead battle ever from 1999 Nazareth, Castroneves v. Montoya v. Jones:

With epic Paul Page and Parker Johnstone commentary:



With as good Ben Edwards and Jeremy Shaw commentary:
Author:  westracing01 [ Tue May 12, 2015 8:05 pm ]
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^ I was at that race. Sat 6 rows up from the track just to the pit exit side in the dog leg.
Author:  Dan Belcher [ Tue May 12, 2015 10:20 pm ]
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One of my favorite races, because it's so positively batshit insane, is the 1996 CART race at Road America. The start crash, Greg Moore's wild ride followed by Davy Jones flipping under caution, Christian Fittipaldi sitting on the fence, the Pac West guys crashing each other out in spectacular fashion, Robby Gordon having the most Robby Gordon day possible and taking a cheap shot at Ford, and of course the "what the fuck just happened???" final lap.
Author:  Cheeveer [ Tue May 12, 2015 10:36 pm ]
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I watched that just the other day - it was the greatest race I ever saw when I was 7, and it still is. Just absolutely bonkers. And without ever getting into view, Stefan Johansson somehow finished 4th. I don't think he's on screen for a second.
Author:  Soul Reaver [ Tue May 12, 2015 11:54 pm ]
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1996 my first year really watching motorsport. Great one for Indy. Even though they lost the 500.
Author:  westracing01 [ Wed May 13, 2015 4:07 am ]
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Just watched it in fast forward sort of. Man, I forgot how crazy that race was.

So, let's match the dry madness of 1996 with the wet madness of 1997. Tracy flips, cars firing themselves off at every turn and Arnd Meijer clearing the turn 14 barrier.

NOTE: This is the Eurosport call since the American call upload includes commercials. This is not the whole race in one part but with autoplay it'll work just fine. (Watch on youtube.)
Author:  Wayne [ Wed May 13, 2015 9:23 am ]
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The '97 Molson Indy Vancouver was a pretty batshit race, too. Especially the second half of the race.
Author:  mclaren2008 [ Wed May 13, 2015 11:50 am ]
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Last race on the original Vancouver layout
Author:  Dan Belcher [ Wed May 13, 2015 12:17 pm ]
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Soul Reaver wrote:
1996 my first year really watching motorsport. Great one for Indy. Even though they lost the 500.

Likewise for me. That was such an amazing era for CART.

There were some crazy races in '97 too for sure, like Road America and Vancouver (Zanardi's wild day, Pruett and Fernandez car-jumping, and how about the cameras missing Paul Tracy's crash on lap 1 of the Vancouver race where he claimed he wheelhopped someone and nearly flipped!).
Author:  Jeff [ Wed May 13, 2015 3:37 pm ]
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On a different subject, anyone here ever heard of the American IndyCar Series founded by Bill Tempero? It ran from 1988 to 2000.


Figured it would give me something to do as far as race results research goes since I haven't found much ARCA stuff lately. They ran older Indy cars on a wide variety of tracks, take a look at the 1991 schedule:
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The Nashville on the schedule is the Fairgrounds Speedway, one of the last places you'd expect to see single seaters racing. They also ran at I-70 and a few other short tracks.

Here's a news article on the race shown in the video:
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Author:  LucasWheldon [ Wed May 13, 2015 4:56 pm ]
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read about that other day, they used to race on smaller venues

some old indycars were brought to Europe to race on Interserie and EuroBoss series, the Penske chassis raced agains Minardis and Fondmetals
Author:  StefMeister [ Wed May 13, 2015 7:07 pm ]
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The 1995 race at Cleveland is one of my favourites:


As is the 1993 race at New Hampshire:
Author:  Dan Belcher [ Wed May 13, 2015 7:21 pm ]
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StefMeister wrote:
The 1995 race at Cleveland is one of my favourites:


As is the 1993 race at New Hampshire:

I just came here planning on posting those exact same races! Nice coincidence!
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