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God how I hate the Hanford device. And people complain about DRS. That`s a whole parachute and a half right there.

But yeah, rip Greg!!! And yeah, this would have been a great thing for Indy if it was there.


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I hate DRS and loved the handford wing races... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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Oooh nice. I've been wanting to watch some 2000-2001 CART. Loved those seasons. :cry:


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And I personally hate this kind of racing more than DRS and Handford combined...

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The hanford device CART races are just, unbelievable. Like, I can't believe what I'm watching unbelievable. I can definitely understand not liking them but yeah, to me they're just the icing on the cake of what was, in my opinion, the most incredible era and form of motorsports ever (CART in the 90s to very early 2000's).

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Some of the early 2000s IRL races were like Russian Roulette, tbh. Just lucky


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They used to run at Dover :8:

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Some of the early 2000s IRL races were like Russian Roulette, tbh. Just lucky


The Hanford races were semi-artificial in excitement, but at least they allowed both more competition and safety than the IRL style pack races. (Some of the DW12 super speedway races were very Hanford-ish in a way.)

The IRL races were often not terribly competitive, the cars often just ran in a pack without a lot of passing from what I remember. The slipstream was so important, cars couldn't get out of it to pass. Added to that, because they ran so close together, there was the additional risk of a mega-crash (like what happened in Atlanta in 2001).


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Some of the early 2000s IRL races were like Russian Roulette, tbh. Just lucky


The Hanford races were semi-artificial in excitement, but at least they allowed both more competition and safety than the IRL style pack races. (Some of the DW12 super speedway races were very Hanford-ish in a way.)

The IRL races were often not terribly competitive, the cars often just ran in a pack without a lot of passing from what I remember. The slipstream was so important, cars couldn't get out of it to pass. Added to that, because they ran so close together, there was the additional risk of a mega-crash (like what happened in Atlanta in 2001).


But with the commentators and fans fawning all over it, it felt like that's what people expected oval racing to be in that Era, and any time Cart was allowed to have an oval race that had a non-manufactured feel to it (IE periods of excitement and periods of the cars just feeling themselves and each other out and not running side by side) it got slated.

Fans stopped going to the IRL oval races though, either because their favourite drivers weren't there or they weren't enamoured with this style of racing either, and that's what's led to the dearth of ovals on the current indycar calender as they just haven't returned.

Someone posted a comparison of the crowds at Michigan for the final CART race in 2001 and the first IRL race in 2002 and it was night and day in comparison, like the difference between an Obama and a Trump inaguration
Once again, fixing something that didn't need to be fixed.

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there was the additional risk of a mega-crash (like what happened in Atlanta in 2001).


never saw that one and took the time to check it out. Damn, it was quite close from what happened in Vegas 10 years later

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And I personally hate this kind of racing more than DRS and Handford combined...


Yeah, I'm not a fan of this either. It made a calendar of several races all race the same. Both are terribly artificial to me.


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I’ve never heard of this series, and isn’t exactly IndyCar in any of its forms. Don’t know if it goes here, but I found it interesting and features a certain Buddy Lazier.

Looks like a cheap oval Can Am series :D



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Gabriel wrote:
Looks like a cheap oval Can Am series :D


I hadn't heard of it before either. Good find.

Reading an article at oldracingcars.com it seems like it was formed from the dying embers of the 1980s Can-Am series, which was scrapped by the SCCA in 1986. This was sort of a bridge between that Can-Am series and the American Indycar Series, another series I don't know much about, but apparently was a lower-cost series that used second hand CART (and later IRL) cars, formed by a former CART/Can-Am driver named Bill Tempero

For AIS, the only full races I see on Youtube from this are two editions of the "Moosehead Grand Prix" in Halifax, Nova Scotia, from 1991 and 1992.





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