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Fixed the horsepower figures for you. Don't know about torque, but you really underestimated things thar. Especially considering road courses.

I made a rookie error and took the IndyCar engine specs from 1999.

I don't even look at points. I was only sticking to overall pace in most tracks

I guess the underlined part might reveal to be 100% correct in the future.

Just for the sake of being pedantic, I'm not sure if today's Indycars have more downforce than the Champcars of 99.

The Lola from 1999 had 85% of the downforce of the 2008 Panoz. But I don't know how the current car compares with those.

You were only sticking to overall pace in most tracks?

So then you'll have noticed that Monty has qualified well at most tracks so far, including having 2nd or 3rd fastest 4-lap average at Indy. In addition, you'll have noticed that during most of the races he's been in contention for good top 6'ish positions but for engine problems or minor errors of his own doing.

I agree with ellis that Montoya has a lot of adapting to do, and Montoya himself knows that. But to criticise him and write him off based on little fact and assumption is naive and completely ignorant.

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Qualifying St. Petersburg Round 1 Group 2
1-Sato 1.12.0
5-Power 1.12.2
9-JPM 1.12.7
HCN on other group

St. Petersburg Race Fastest Laps:
1-Power 1.02.34
4-HCN 1.02.55
11-JPM 1.03.0

Qualifying Long Beach Group 1
1-Munoz 1.07.87
2-HCN 1.07.88
7-Power 1.08.11
8-JPM 1.08.36

Long Beach Race Fastest Laps:
1-HCN 1.09.0
7-Power 1.09.40
15-JPM 1.09.73

Qualifying Round 2 Alabama:
1- Power 01:08.36
3-HCN 01:08.50
8-JPM 01:08.64

Won't include race as he was spun, iirc

Qualifying for Indy infield track:
1-Hawksworth 01:23.9
2-Power 01:23.9
7-JPM 01:24.6

Indy Fastest laps (in this one he was somewhat competitive but some drivers were saving fuel on the crucial parts of the race)
1-Dixon 1.10.4
4-JPM 1.10.98

Qualifying for Race 1 Detroit - Group 1
1-HCN 1.17.2 round 2 1.17.4 round 3 1.17.5
6-JPM 1.18.3 round 2 1.17.9 round 3 1.19.7

Race 1 Detroit Fastest Laps:
1-Rahal 1.17.6
2- Power 1.17.7
4-HCN 1.17.9
17-JPM 1.19.2

Qualifying for Race 2 Detroit - Group 2
1-Sato 1.16.1
2-HCN 1.16.3
8-JPM 1.17.3
Power in other group

Race 2 Detroit Fastest Laps:
1-Dixon 1.16.9
5-Power 1.17.0
7-HCN 1.17.2
21-JPM 1.18.1

He has always been off the pace of his team mates and even other drivers from worse teams, but in last weekend it was by too much and the only thing I said was that it was sad to see a former dominator being this slow, even if a lot of adapting is still needed.

Artur Craft is good at admitting when he is wrong.

When I said that?

I am right, JPM has been off the pace all season long and the stats above just shows that

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Yeah, I got it. You saw that you were wrong, so digress the debate

Not only the numbers posted showed that but most of the time JPM is shown in the broadcasts, he's either with a huge train behind him and/or getting overtaken by people. It's rare to see him in a position to overtake anybody

But then, it's my fault. I should have known what would be the outcome given JPM has quite some passionate fans


edit: I guess we better agree to disagree

I am wrong? That's cute. You are using stats only to make a point by taking things out of context. You are the only person pushing this agenda. Myself, ellis and a number of other people have pointed out the error in your assessment of Montoya's performance, but each time you've chosen to ignore those points to continue pushing your negative, laughable and ignorant agenda.

Yes, you are wrong.

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Montoya will win a race this season.

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Probably Pocono.

Which I won't be able to go to this year

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Yes the Brickyard 400...

Montoya, who hasn't driven an IndyCar/CART in 13 years, is slower than his team mates, who've been driving them since 1998 and 2005. Imagine that.

But you don't need to imagine it! The numbers prove that he is just slower. Nothing else matters. There is no explanation, he just is.

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Too funny. TOO FUNNY.