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 Post subject: Re: Formula E discussion
PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:43 pm 
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Like they ran on the Newman-Haas cars about 10/12 years ago.

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Here's an interesting article about the testing going on... which also confirms there was a tyre chicane put in, but not where we all think it was.

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Behind the scenes of Formula E testing

As Formula E's inaugural season draws ever-closer, MARCUS SIMMONS gives his impressions after a visit to last week's Donington test

By Marcus Simmons
AUTOSPORT deputy editor


"Come into the garage and I'll show you around the car," smiles the very amiable Peter McCool, former chief designer of the talented nucleus of the Super Aguri Formula 1 team, whose ideas played a large part in Brawn's title-winning 2009 campaign. "But don't touch it..." he warns nervously.

McCool is now technical director of Aguri Suzuki's latest international racing project: the Amlin Aguri team, which is one of 10 squads in action at Donington Park's inaugural two-day Formula E open test.

The car that must not be touched is being recharged, a process that takes approximately 45 minutes, and the team - understandably - doesn't really want an electrocuted journalist on the garage floor.

Even before AUTOSPORT has reached the pitlane we've heard the best recharging story. Indian racing hero Karun Chandhok went to plug in the kettle to brew his just-arrived-at-the-track cup of tea in the Mahindra team's garage, only for the Carlin lads who run the squad to veto it on the grounds that it would interrupt their cars' charging. That left Karun to wander from garage to garage before finding a team that had fully-juiced batteries on its racing machinery.

It's very early days yet for Formula E. Due to the all-new technology on the Spark-Renault racers, it's takes time before anyone even thinks about working on set-up - reliability, at this stage, comes before competitiveness. "All cars a great challenge," explains McCool, who begins to relax when he notes that AUTOSPORT is more interested in touching biro and notepad than racing car.

"This is very complex with all the electrics, and there's lots we have to do to make sure we understand it."

But even by the second day, when AUTOSPORT arrives, he is thinking about making this thing go quicker. "The electrics and set-up are getting our equal attention," he reveals. "The trick is to get really good high-quality data and understand it."

So, in other words it's just like any normal racing car...

That said, we're talking about very quiet racing cars. The first trip trackside is to the fence on the exit of the Melbourne hairpin. Because the cars are on treaded Michelin tyres, and are carrying an enormous weight at the back end with the battery, hot laps are pretty spectacular. The brakes lock, the rear end squirms around, and there's a satisfying twitch when – or if – the car reaches the apex before applying the power.

On acceleration, they sound like a very fast milkfloat.

The second trip is down the Craner Curves to the Old Hairpin, which until the second afternoon was neutered by a very tight triple-tyre-walled chicane – we hear that this is so there can be no direct laptime comparison with other single-seater formulae.

Here they're less impressive, although to be fair this is not Formula E's natural habitat – the fast, flowing, downhill, billiard-smooth bends are in no way representative of the tight, bumpy street circuits they will race on.

On the brakes, they sound like a cross between a Scalextric set and a plane taxiing in at an airport.

We're not going to say that's good or bad. It's just different. To these eyes and ears, one of the most impressive things ever experienced is an almost-silent Audi LMP1 racer wafting through Maggotts and Becketts at Silverstone. The Formula E car likely won't produce those sensations in a hurry – after all, its 200kW of peak power equates to just 270bhp – but noise isn't everything.

Such a mantra also applies to the test-day commentator: former AUTOSPORT staffer, long-distance truckie and part-time Spiderman impersonator Richard Asher sounds like a late-night South African radio DJ ("and now, for you lovebirds out there, here's 'Substitute' by Clout"), but with the cars so quiet there's no need for the strident tones we're so used to from trackside speakers.

But what are the cars like to drive? "They're nice," says ex-grand prix star Jarno Trulli, who has been sufficiently moved by Formula E to break off his retirement and set up a team, TrulliGP, which is being operated by top Auto GP squad Super Nova.

"The power is pretty good, and when you drive it's just like a normal single-seater car – and that's a beautiful feeling for a racing driver. Donington is a bit too quick for this car – we don't need a very high top speed – but nevertheless it's good for testing.

"The only big limitation is given by the battery and the electric motor. The car can perform very well for a couple of laps before the battery starts heating up, so the main challenge is to develop the technology to make a proper-lasting racing car."

"We're still in the very first days of learning about the car," says the Mahindra team's Bruno Senna. "We haven't done any set-up work yet, but so far so good. When you run on qualifying mode it's actually quite fun, but in race mode you're desperate to take more speed into the corners."

Here is where Formula E is a work in progress – certainly as far as the sporting regulations are concerned. Race power is currently slated as 133kW (180bhp), with only those voted for in FanBoost polls allowed to surge to 200kW for 2.5 seconds. Forget the noise - the FanBoost concept is the one most likely to turn off the purist.

Drivers are concerned that the cars will trundle around in a procession at reduced power – they estimate a loss of seven seconds per lap around Donington – and that the only overtaking moves will be those decided by toe-curling Twitter campaigns.

Dragon Racing's Mike Conway, a man who eats hard-to-pass-on street circuits for breakfast as an IndyCar star, quips: "It reminds me of when you're at an indoor karting place and everyone gets the power restricted [when there's an accident].

"But this is going to be fun, even if it's different. The car slides around a lot, and although the tyres look like road tyres they're a lot more advanced.

"We've got a lot of things to get into yet – we've hardly dived into any of the settings on the steering wheel, but we've got some really good drivers on the grid."

He's right, and the quality extends from drivers to engineers, mechanics and operations staff – the Donington Formula E pitlane is a melting pot of former, current and moonlighting F1, GP2/3, F3, World Series by Renault, IndyCar, top-line sportscar and touring car brains.

But what's been their biggest concern? Andretti Autosport team manager Rob Arnott says: "The one-day test we had before was excellent – we ran faultlessly and we were quickest with Franck [Montagny]. It was horrendously wet conditions and we had no electrical issues at all.

"But yesterday we had a nightmare shared by all 10 teams, with new battery-conditioning units.

"For some reason the BCU was entering charge air into the cooling system for the battery, so we were struggling to cool the battery – and you have to cool it before you can charge it. We've abandoned the cooling unit and gone back to dry ice and fans, but it's not a final fix – we have to get the BCU working."

Arnott reckons the communication between team and driver while the car is on track is "pretty much the same as what's happening in current F1.

"There's a lot going on – lots of different power maps, torque maps. Similar functionality to a current F1 car."

One of the biggest disciplines at present for the driver, says Arnott, is the regenerating paddle on the steering wheel for the rear brakes, and using this in conjunction with mechanical adjustment of the brake bias. No wonder we're seeing a few drivers overshoot the Melbourne hairpin.

Ex-Toro Rosso F1 driver Jaime Alguersuari agrees: "You have loads of things to do on the steering wheel – braking recovery, battery recovery. You can really struggle with balance when you activate the paddle."

And what's it like driving in silence? "It's different," ponders Alguersuari. "You feel the wind a lot – you feel like you're flying in a way."

Formula E, it's clear, is a whole world of new experiences. We mentioned earlier its work-in-progress status and the worries about the lack of power in race mode, but AUTOSPORT understands that discussions are taking place about increasing this to 170kW, as well as tweaking the confusing rules on maximum battery usage allowed over the course of a race.

It's virgin territory, but series boss Alejandro Agag is delighted with early progress: "It feels really like a big adventure in a way. Yesterday we had some issues with batteries, but you see how they've overcome that.

"We're at the beginning of new racing technology – we solved the problem we had, and testing is playing the role it should play."

He's also quite chuffed to see drivers overdoing it and spinning off, because it shows that competitiveness is beginning to ramp up. "Before they were shaking down; now they're having fun," laughs Agag. "The guys are looking at the timesheets, and if they're going off that's part of the show."

"It's a new concept of motorsport," offers Virgin Racing's Alguersuari. "It's indeed unfair to compare it to any other racing series – it's a baby that's just been born."

And for Agag, as a proud new parent, what's been the standout moment so far? "When I saw the first timesheet on the AUTOSPORT website after the first day of testing, I was so happy!"

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 Post subject: Re: Formula E discussion
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Not sure the video ties in with what he says, or they move the chicane at random...


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ellis wrote:
Not sure the video ties in with what he says, or they move the chicane at random...


I heard that a TBK poll will be used to decide this before each session.


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 Post subject: Re: Formula E discussion
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 Post subject: Re: Formula E discussion
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ellis wrote:


Not sure the video ties in with what he says, or they move the chicane at random...


The tyre chicane mentioned in the article was removed on day 2. When is this video from? I know a video with a chicane at that place was posted a couple of weeks ago.

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 Post subject: Re: Formula E discussion
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Thanks Gaara, I couldn't see the date through Tapatalk. So then that's not from the recent test so we can't really take notice of it.

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 Post subject: Re: Formula E discussion
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So they do just move the chicane about. Hard to judge development if the track changes every week.

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 Post subject: Re: Formula E discussion
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Exactly ellis, they are testing the cars as well as the social media systems.

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Second round (Malaysia) has been delayed by five weeks because the Prime Minister is unable to attend the event at it's original date :slaphead:


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Legge confirmed at Amlin, Cerruti will run with Trulli

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Yesterday was the first Formula E Race Weekend (simulation). Video shows some great drivers + Katherine Legge.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/115345



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Wait, are they trying to say Legge was there by putting in an interview with her?


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Well if you read the article, they do say there were a "number of issues were encountered" with the simulated television broadcasts. :whistling: :p

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