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markwebber
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Endurance season starts this weekend at Phillip Island, with the L&H 500.

Should be a great weekend, got a lot of internationals coming out, new format on Saturday.

Also comulsory brake pad change is gone.
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Matt Neal & Boris Said FTW !!!!!!!!!
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Rod Farva wrote:
Matt Neal & Boris Said FTW !!!!!!!!!


Relax, Plato's not around so Neal will be calm! :lol:

Just the one then ;)
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Matt Neal & Boris Said FTW !!!!!!!!!
It is literally impossible for this car to not get involved in at least two stupid incidents in this race
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Should add some loltastic action atleast :)
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markwebber wrote:
Also comulsory brake pad change is gone.


Good to see this rule has finally been given the flick
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racer69 wrote:
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Also comulsory brake pad change is gone.


Good to see this rule has finally been given the flick


Won't the teams be changing them anyway because of the long race+heavy braking at Philip Island or will they just risk it on one set?

Also: what's the weather going to be like, does anyone know? :?
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Cowes Weather

Friday - 19C Mostly Sunny
Saturday - 21C Fine
Sunday - 20C Showers 5mm (55%)
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codename_47 wrote:
racer69 wrote:
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Also comulsory brake pad change is gone.


Good to see this rule has finally been given the flick


Won't the teams be changing them anyway because of the long race+heavy braking at Philip Island or will they just risk it on one set?


Doesn't really matter i don't think, the choice should always have been there whether a team wanted to conserve the brakes & make it without changing, or go for broke & change them.

Hopefully this weird format only lasts this weekend as well.

Happy enough to see the Phillip Island 500 return, just a shame it was at the expense of Sandown though....
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scotty wrote:
1 safety car in 161 laps was ridiculous. Nothing happened.


err, most would say 1 safety car is too many, the less contrived interruptions the better

Sandown had history as the Bathurst leadup going back to 1964, surely that counts for something? VESA dropped it like it didn't mean anything (but then again of course, they don't think anything existed pre-1997 :x
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scotty wrote:
Just like the good ol' days when cars would win by 10 laps?


Tell me a race that was won by 10 laps?

Surely your not advocating 'competition yellows', or accidents causing safety cars?


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The track back then was much better for the kind of racing of the day. For todays V8SC its just not right. From a spectator standpoint, its horrible. Whereever you sit you see 1 corner. Thats it.


So why not change the cars, rather than make the track do all the work?
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So Scotty with what you just said in mind would you welcome the introduction of another manufacurer?
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scotty wrote:
Jim Richards won a race at Amaroo Park in a BMW by 10 laps. Brock won Bathurst by 9 laps. etc.


When did Peter Brock win Bathurst by 9 laps? He won the 1979 Hardie-Ferodo by 6 laps, but not on pace, with 2 hrs to go the top 3 were still on the same lap (infact Grice/Costanzo were catching Brock/Richards)

Jim Richards never won a race at Amaroo by 10 laps in a BMW. He won the 1985 Better Brakes 300 by 2 laps, but again not on pace. (Brock had a problem allowing Richards through)

Where are you getting these plainly wrong facts from?


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b) Why change a perfectly good formula (changing the cars)?


A formula with spiralling costs, and processional racing (which you admitted earlier yourself). Seems like there is plenty they can do to change the formula.....
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Case 1: Driver wins by large margin.
Case 2: Driver leading by large margin, Safety Car out, margin lost, loses lead on restart.

To be honest I'd prefer to see Case 1 rather than Case 2, even though Case 2 is generally more entertaining, especially if it isn't a valid safety car (i.e. debris, car not in dangerous position etc.).

PRACTICE 1
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L&H 500 - 2008 V8 Supercar Championship Series - Round 9
PHILLIP ISLAND GRAND PRIX CIRCUIT

V8 SUPERCARS - Practice 1

Practice P5     30 Mins  
Scheduled Start 12:45
PROVISIONAL RESULT
                                      
Page 1    Issue 1 SPI06B
Start Fri Sep 12   12:45
Elapsed Time       30:00

________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Pos Car  Competitor/Team                Driver                   Vehicle              Cap   CL   Laps   Fastest...Lap        Gap

1    55  Rod Nash Racing                Tony D'Alberto           Holden Commodore VE  5000         14     8 1:35.3847* 
2    17  Jim Beam Racing                Steve Owen               Ford Falcon BF       5000         13     4 1:35.4536  0:00.0689
3    12  Team BOC                       Cameron McConville       Holden Commodore VE  5000         10     6 1:35.6375  0:00.2528
4    39  Supercheap Auto Racing         Paul Morris              Holden Commodore VE  5000         13    10 1:35.7919  0:00.4072
5     4  Jeld-Wen Motorsport            David Besnard            Ford Falcon BF       5000         11     7 1:36.1784  0:00.7937
6     5  Ford Performance Racing        D.Canto/L.Youlden        Ford Falcon BF       5000         16     7 1:36.2298  0:00.8451
7     3  Sprint Gas Racing              G.Murphy/J.Richards      Holden Commodore VE  5000         10     7 1:36.2366  0:00.8519
8    25  Fujitsu Racing                 Adam Macrow              Ford Falcon BF       5000         14    12 1:36.2449  0:00.8602
9   111  Glenfords Racing               F.Coulthard/J.McIntyre   Ford Falcon BF       5000         15     6 1:36.2790  0:00.8943
10   14  Team WOW                       B.Jones/M.Wilson         Holden Commodore VE  5000         13    13 1:36.3711  0:00.9864
11   15  HSV Dealer Team                Paul Radisich            Holden Commodore VE  5000         11     4 1:36.3871  0:01.0024
12   11  Jack Daniel's Racing           J.Perkins/S.Price        Holden Commodore VE  5000         12     4 1:36.4289  0:01.0442
13   33  Valvoline Cummins Race Team    Michael Caruso           Holden Commodore VE  5000         12    11 1:36.4537  0:01.0690
14   18  Jim Beam Racing                Warren Luff              Ford Falcon BF       5000          4     4 1:36.5529  0:01.1682
15   34  Valvoline Cummins Race Team    M.Caruso/G.Ritter        Holden Commodore VE  5000         13     9 1:36.5544  0:01.1697
16   16  Autobarn Racing Team           P.Dumbrell/D.Reynolds    Holden Commodore VE  5000         13    13 1:36.5855  0:01.2008
17    9  SP Tools Racing                Jonathon Webb            Ford Falcon BF       5000         15    15 1:36.7862  0:01.4015
18   51  Sprint Gas Racing              G.Murphy/M.Noske         Holden Commodore VE  5000         13     3 1:36.8849  0:01.5002
19    2  Toll Holden Racing Team        C.Baird/G.Seton          Holden Commodore VE  5000         14     7 1:37.0375  0:01.6528
20   50  PWR Performance Products       A.Thompson/P.Weel        Holden Commodore VE  5000         12     4 1:37.1456  0:01.7609
21  777  Ausdrill Ford Rising Stars     Grant Denyer             Ford Falcon BF       5000         13    10 1:37.3641  0:01.9794
22    7  Jack Daniel's Racing           Nathan Pretty            Holden Commodore VE  5000         13    13 1:37.7467  0:02.3620
23   26  IRWIN Racing                   Matthew Halliday         Ford Falcon BF       5000         14     7 1:37.8403  0:02.4556
24   88  Team Vodafone                  F.Giovanardi/M.Hynes     Ford Falcon BF       5000         15    11 1:37.9564  0:02.5717
25   67  Supercheap Auto Racing         Matt Neal                Holden Commodore VE  5000         14     6 1:39.2249  0:03.8402
26    6  Ford Performance Racing        Luke Youlden             Ford Falcon BF       5000          3     3 1:47.1292  0:11.7445
27    1  Toll Holden Racing Team        Craig Baird              Holden Commodore VE  5000          1   
28  021  Team Kiwi Racing               Kayne Scott              Ford Falcon BF       5000          1   

Fastest Lap Av.Speed Is 168kph, 107% Of First 1 Is 1:42.0616
Current Practice Record Is 1:32.5121 Set On 24/03/2001 By Mark Skaife In A Holden Commodore VX
R=under lap record by greatest margin, r=under lap record, *=fastest lap time
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Issue# 1 - Printed Fri Sep 12 14:04:41 2008     Timing System By NATSOFT (03)63342353 www.natsoft.com.au/results & Dorian DATA-1
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PRACTICE 2
Code:
L&H 500 - 2008 V8 Supercar Championship Series - Round 9
PHILLIP ISLAND GRAND PRIX CIRCUIT

V8 SUPERCARS - Practice 2

Practice P6     30 Mins  
Scheduled Start 13:20
                                      
Page 1    Issue 1 SPI07B
Start Fri Sep 12   13:20
Elapsed Time       30:00

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Pos Car  Competitor/Team                Driver                   Vehicle              Cap   CL   Laps   Fastest...Lap        Gap

1     4  Jeld-Wen Motorsport            D.Besnard/J.Courtney     Ford Falcon BF       5000         10     6 1:34.4600* 
2    15  HSV Dealer Team                P.Dumbrell/R.Kelly       Holden Commodore VE  5000         12     9 1:34.7882  0:00.3282
3    18  Jim Beam Racing                Will Davison             Ford Falcon BF       5000         11     5 1:34.8003  0:00.3403
4   888  Team Vodafone                  F.Giovanardi/C.Lowndes   Ford Falcon BF       5000         14    13 1:34.8332  0:00.3732
5     9  SP Tools Racing                D.Besnard/S.Gisbergen    Ford Falcon BF       5000          7     7 1:34.8943  0:00.4343
6     6  Ford Performance Racing        D.Canto/S.Richards/     
                                        M.Winterbottom           Ford Falcon BF       5000         11     7 1:34.9655  0:00.5055
7     7  Jack Daniel's Racing           Todd Kelly               Holden Commodore VE  5000          7     5 1:35.2453  0:00.7853
8    16  Autobarn Racing Team           Paul Dumbrell            Holden Commodore VE  5000          9     6 1:35.2786  0:00.8186
9    39  Supercheap Auto Racing         Russell Ingall           Holden Commodore VE  5000          9     7 1:35.3410  0:00.8810
10    1  Toll Holden Racing Team        C.Baird/G.Tander         Holden Commodore VE  5000          3     3 1:35.3711  0:00.9111
11   12  Team BOC                       Andrew Jones             Holden Commodore VE  5000          9     9 1:35.4605  0:01.0005
12  111  Glenfords Racing               Fabian Coulthard         Ford Falcon BF       5000         12     9 1:35.5484  0:01.0884
13   17  Jim Beam Racing                W.Davison/W.Luff         Ford Falcon BF       5000         10    10 1:35.5939  0:01.1339
14   55  Rod Nash Racing                Jason Bargwanna          Holden Commodore VE  5000         13    13 1:35.6216  0:01.1616
15   25  Fujitsu Racing                 Jason Bright             Ford Falcon BF       5000          8     7 1:35.6993  0:01.2393
16    3  Sprint Gas Racing              Greg Murphy              Holden Commodore VE  5000          7     4 1:35.7211  0:01.2611
17    2  Toll Holden Racing Team        C.Baird/G.Seton/        
                                        M.Skaife/G.Tander        Holden Commodore VE  5000         12     5 1:35.7707  0:01.3107
18   51  Sprint Gas Racing              G.Murphy/M.Noske         Holden Commodore VE  5000          5     2 1:36.1823  0:01.7223
19    5  Ford Performance Racing        D.Canto/L.Youlden        Ford Falcon BF       5000         11     8 1:36.4967  0:02.0367
20   33  Valvoline Cummins Race Team    M.Caruso/L.Holdsworth    Holden Commodore VE  5000          9     3 1:36.5456  0:02.0856
21   88  Team Vodafone                  Fabrizio Giovanardi      Ford Falcon BF       5000         13    12 1:36.7932  0:02.3332
22   14  Team WOW                       A.Jones/B.Jones          Holden Commodore VE  5000          6     5 1:36.9660  0:02.5060
23   26  IRWIN Racing                   J.Bright/M.Marshall      Ford Falcon BF       5000         10     6 1:37.1114  0:02.6514
24   50  PWR Performance Products       A.Thompson/P.Weel        Holden Commodore VE  5000          7     6 1:37.3348  0:02.8748
25   11  Jack Daniel's Racing           T.Kelly/J.Perkins/      
                                        N.Pretty                 Holden Commodore VE  5000          9     9 1:37.3518  0:02.8918
26   67  Supercheap Auto Racing         R.Ingall/B.Said          Holden Commodore VE  5000         12    11 1:37.4898  0:03.0298
27   34  Valvoline Cummins Race Team    M.Caruso/S.Ellery        Holden Commodore VE  5000          9     7 1:37.8976  0:03.4376
28  777  Ausdrill Ford Rising Stars     G.Denyer/M.Patrizi       Ford Falcon BF       5000          9     9 1:38.2887  0:03.8287
    021  Team Kiwi Racing               Chris Pither             Ford Falcon BF       5000      

Fastest Lap Av.Speed Is 170kph, 107% Of First 1 Is 1:41.0722
Current Practice Record Is 1:32.5121 Set On 24/03/2001 By Mark Skaife In A Holden Commodore VX
R=under lap record by greatest margin, r=under lap record, *=fastest lap time
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Issue# 1 - Printed Fri Sep 12 14:05:44 2008     Timing System By NATSOFT (03)63342353 www.natsoft.com.au/results & Dorian DATA-1
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TKR continue their Friday non appearances.
1 lap in Practice 1, ventured onto the track in P2 and didn't set a lap time but may have caused a red flag, not on track in P3.

Speculation at Ten-Tenths has the car running with an old WPS enginge this weekend, as SBR reclaimed their enginge until bills were paid. If TKR manage to make the series for the rest of the year, and are still around next year I will be astonished.

PRACTICE 3
Code:
L&H 500 - 2008 V8 Supercar Championship Series - Round 9
PHILLIP ISLAND GRAND PRIX CIRCUIT

V8 SUPERCARS - Practice 3

Practice P7     75 Mins  
Scheduled Start 14:30
PRELIMINARY RESULT
                                      
Page 1    Issue 1 SPI09A
Start Fri Sep 12   14:30
Elapsed Time    01:15:00

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Pos Car  Competitor/Team                Driver                   Vehicle              Cap   CL   Laps   Fastest...Lap        Gap

1     6  Ford Performance Racing        D.Canto/S.Richards/     
                                        M.Winterbottom           Ford Falcon BF       5000         25    22 1:33.5330* 
2     1  Toll Holden Racing Team        C.Baird/M.Skaife/       
                                        G.Tander                 Holden Commodore VE  5000         22    22 1:33.5495  0:00.0165
3     4  Jeld-Wen Motorsport            D.Besnard/J.Courtney     Ford Falcon BF       5000         24    23 1:33.7080  0:00.1750
4    18  Jim Beam Racing                W.Davison/S.Johnson      Ford Falcon BF       5000         30    26 1:33.7539  0:00.2209
5    15  HSV Dealer Team                P.Dumbrell/R.Kelly/     
                                        P.Radisich               Holden Commodore VE  5000         32    32 1:34.0323  0:00.4993
6    25  Fujitsu Racing                 J.Bright/A.Macrow        Ford Falcon BF       5000         24    23 1:34.1381  0:00.6051
7    34  Valvoline Cummins Race Team    M.Caruso/S.Ellery/      
                                        G.Ritter                 Holden Commodore VE  5000         28    22 1:34.2519  0:00.7189
8    33  Valvoline Cummins Race Team    M.Caruso/L.Holdsworth    Holden Commodore VE  5000         27    27 1:34.2885  0:00.7555
9    39  Supercheap Auto Racing         Russell Ingall           Holden Commodore VE  5000         22    21 1:34.3317  0:00.7987
10    9  SP Tools Racing                D.Besnard/S.Gisbergen/  
                                        J.Webb                   Ford Falcon BF       5000         30    25 1:34.3534  0:00.8204
11    3  Sprint Gas Racing              G.Murphy/J.Richards      Holden Commodore VE  5000         30    28 1:34.3573  0:00.8243
12    7  Jack Daniel's Racing           T.Kelly/N.Pretty         Holden Commodore VE  5000         30    29 1:34.4123  0:00.8793
13   17  Jim Beam Racing                W.Davison/W.Luff/S.Owen  Ford Falcon BF       5000         28    26 1:34.5961  0:01.0631
14  888  Team Vodafone                  F.Giovanardi/C.Lowndes/ 
                                        J.Whincup                Ford Falcon BF       5000         30    19 1:34.6552  0:01.1222
15   14  Team WOW                       A.Jones/B.Jones/        
                                        M.Wilson                 Holden Commodore VE  5000         27     7 1:34.7357  0:01.2027
16  111  Glenfords Racing               F.Coulthard/J.McIntyre   Ford Falcon BF       5000         28    27 1:34.7790  0:01.2460
17   16  Autobarn Racing Team           P.Dumbrell/D.Reynolds    Holden Commodore VE  5000         27    25 1:34.7840  0:01.2510
18    2  Toll Holden Racing Team        C.Baird/G.Seton          Holden Commodore VE  5000         30    30 1:34.9138  0:01.3808
19   51  Sprint Gas Racing              G.Murphy/M.Noske/D.Wood  Holden Commodore VE  5000         31    25 1:35.0777  0:01.5447
20   55  Rod Nash Racing                J.Bargwanna/T.D'Alberto  Holden Commodore VE  5000         20     4 1:35.0960  0:01.5630
21   11  Jack Daniel's Racing           T.Kelly/J.Perkins/      
                                        S.Price                  Holden Commodore VE  5000         29    14 1:35.1069  0:01.5739
22    5  Ford Performance Racing        D.Canto/L.Youlden        Ford Falcon BF       5000         29    10 1:35.2185  0:01.6855
23   12  Team BOC                       A.Jones/C.McConville     Holden Commodore VE  5000         26    15 1:35.2461  0:01.7131
24   26  IRWIN Racing                   J.Bright/M.Halliday/    
                                        M.Marshall               Ford Falcon BF       5000         31    30 1:35.3185  0:01.7855
25   88  Team Vodafone                  F.Giovanardi/M.Hynes     Ford Falcon BF       5000         33    25 1:35.4903  0:01.9573
26   50  PWR Performance Products       A.Thompson/P.Weel        Holden Commodore VE  5000         24    19 1:35.5908  0:02.0578
27  777  Ausdrill Ford Rising Stars     G.Denyer/M.Patrizi       Ford Falcon BF       5000         31    24 1:35.6699  0:02.1369
28   67  Supercheap Auto Racing         R.Ingall/P.Morris/      
                                        M.Neal/B.Said            Holden Commodore VE  5000         22     2 1:36.9230  0:03.3900

Fastest Lap Av.Speed Is 171kph, 107% Of First 1 Is 1:40.0803
Current Practice Record Is 1:32.5121 Set On 24/03/2001 By Mark Skaife In A Holden Commodore VX
R=under lap record by greatest margin, r=under lap record, *=fastest lap time
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Issue# 1 - Printed Fri Sep 12 16:02:07 2008     Timing System By NATSOFT (03)63342353 www.natsoft.com.au/results & Dorian DATA-1
                                                                     Timing by V8 Supercars & Melbourne University Car Club Inc.
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@ Scotty

All drivers were cross-entered, so not completely sure, especially the multiple drivers appearing across the cars in the practice.

This should be the line up. Not sure who is driver A or B, other than that Lowndes will be in the A race, and Whincup in the B race.

HRT #1 - Garth Tander / Mark Skaife
HRT #2 - Craig Baird / Glenn Seton
TAS #3 - Greg Murphy / Jason Richards
TAS #51 - Dale Wood / Mark Noske
SBR #4 - James Courtney / David Besnard
SBR #9 - Shane Van Gisbergen / Jonathon Webb
FPR #5 - Dean Canto / Luke Youlden
FPR #6 - Steven Richards / Mark Winterbottom
JDR #7 - Todd Kelly / Nathan Pretty
JDR #11 - Jack Perkins / Shane Price
BOC #12 - Andrew Jones / Cameron McConville
BOC #14 - Brad Jones / Max Wilson
HSV #15 - Rick Kelly / Paul Radisich
HSV #16 - Paul Dumbrell / David Reynolds
DJR #17 - Warren Luff / Steve Owen
DJR #18 - Will Davison / Steve Johnson
BRI #25 - Jason Bright / Adam Macrow
BRI #26 - Marcus Marshall / Matt Halliday
GRM #33 - Michael Caruso / Lee Holdsworth
GRM #34 - Steve Ellery / Greg Ritter
PMM #39 - Russell Ingall / Paul Morris
PMM #67 - Matt Neal / Boris Said
PWR #50 - Andrew Thompson / Paul Weel
RNR #55 - Tony D'Alberto / Jason Bargwanna
PCR #111 - Fabian Coulthard / John McIntyre
FRSR #777 - Grant Denyer / Michael Patrizi
888 #888 - Craig Lowndes / Jamie Whincup
888 #88 - Fabrizio Giovanardi / Marc Hynes
TKR #021 - Kayne Scott / Chris Pither
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scotty wrote:
In the touring car greatest hits, they mention Jim Richards won a race at Amaroo by 10 laps.


Do you mean the bit off "Australian touring car racing greatest crashes 1985-92", where Terry Shiel crashes the Peter Jackson Gazelle into the Lansvale Commodore, and Mike Raymond is going on about how Richards is going to win by 10 laps anyway and how he shouldn't have been caught up in the accident?

That was an off the cuff remark, as all his competition had retired by then in the 1987 Amaroo 100, he won by a lap from Brad Jones Mitsubishi.


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You'd rather have boring races won by country miles?


If a driver or team win a race by a country mile on merit as they have done a better job than the others, then yes i would prefer that than someone a mile behind benefitting from a late safety car to 'do a desperate' up the inside and win....

Is it right in races like Sandown race 2 (when Whincup had a comfortable lead), and Darwin race 2 (when Richards had a comfortable lead) that these races were won by drivers who'd have never won had there not been a late safety car?


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They wouldnt be very popular though, and the purists will hate the day Toyota wins at Bathurst.


I'd be more inclined to say that the purists would be the one's to applaud a Toyota win (like they did when Nissan won) if they won on merit.
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I dunno, i like all car racing although I would be speculative of a toyota or a mitsubishi coming into the current series. After a while we would all get used to it and the purist holden and ford fans would have another team to hate lol. One thing I would like to see gone is this s h i t rule of body panel damage black flags that has been forced down the throat of the racing community by greedy frikin insurance companies. Racing is dangerous get over it!

Anyways here's my tip for the weekend... This will be a far better meet than sandown 500 (betcha thought I was going to say Craig Lowndes and Whincup win the first PI enduro....)

Bring on the racing :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag:
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scotty wrote:
I hope your being sarcastic, because the Bathurst pundits were definitely not applauding when Nissan won in 92.


None of the 'drunks' under the podium at Bathurst in 1992 slagging off the Nissan drivers were what you would call 'purists'

'Purists' are the race fans who know their stuff & follow motorsport, and the purists knew full well that the likes of the Nissan Bathurst wins in 1991 and 1992 were fully deserved (and they knew the rules) and were won fair and square.

Therefore it would more likely be the 'post-1997' crowd that would be up in arms of a Toyota or whatever Bathurst win....


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Anyways here's my tip for the weekend... This will be a far better meet than sandown 500 (betcha thought I was going to say Craig Lowndes and Whincup win the first PI enduro....)


Well we'll see, but chances are this could turn into a tyre conservation exercise.
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